Wrong, but not far off. It's a dialect of Arabic or Arabian language (depending on who you ask) that's been heavily influenced by Italian, but it's not a creole or pidgin.
Exception due to Scandinavia being considered Western. Finland has as much history with Sweden as with Russia.
I've never really seen Scandinavia considered Western Europe, either; usually Northern Europe (Scandinavia + Iceland + sometimes Denmark + sometimes the British Isles) is considered its own thing.
It is a hard distinction due to no real good geographical boundaries between cultures like the Andes or the Himalayas. Even the Alps have their own distinct culture among the people in Italy, Switzerland, France, Germany, and Austria.
Indeed. But I would say there's a pretty clear demarcation between where most Germanic/Romance/Celtic speakers and most Balto-Slavic, European Uralic, and Hellenic speakers live that serves as a useful divide, with the caveat that the Germanic speaking Goths are in the East and Slavic speaking Czechs are in the West. (And of course historically the Celts made it as far as Anatolia, but that's not where they originated from.)
Portugal, Sweden and an Italian city-state, namely Venice, that will not act as a city-state, but as a normal civ with many cities.
I also want Austria and Denmark.
As for the rest, they are either too small, too short-lived, too not so influential compared to the others, or too overlapping other civilizations to be included.
I chose Portugal, Sweden (and hopefully Gustavus Adolphus looking like Gustavus Adolphus this time), and Denmark. I had considered voting for one Celtic tribe in particular (the Gauls) and Ireland (especially tempting if it was a choice between them or the blob Celtic civ we got from Civ 5).
Well, about the frontiers of western-eastern Europe, the reason I included Malta, Finland and the others in eastern Europe (or a seperate poll) is simple : choices had to be made. No poll will ever be perferct and satisfy everyone. I chose the Cold War border between west and east, with all the conséquences it has. Seperating Europe in more polls than 2 would be uninteresting, because there would be too few candidates on each poll to make it really interesting.
I chose Portugal, Sweden, and Italian CS (hopefully Florence or Venice), but I would not be opposed to Al-Andalus. Here's my reasoning:
Portugal: Massive colonial empire + unique language & culture = definite must for civ. This wasn't handled great in V, but here's hoping to a better Portugal in VI. Maybe a Nau unit that serves as a naval counterpart to the Conquistador?
Sweden: Unique culture, has room for a decent spawn on TSL, and we have no shortage of scientific civs. I don't think we need many more European civilizations, but I'd certainly take Sweden. Perhaps a bonus to Science and Loyalty?
Italian CS: Florence was kind of the center of the Renaissance, and Venice created a trade empire that influenced the entire West. Either of the two would be excellent. Venice could have a large bonus to naval trading, while Florence would have a huge bonus to Great People and Tourism.
I voted these three:
Portugal: Probably the last missing important colonial Empire in game. It can have some nice exploration bonuses.
Italy: I'd love to see it, especially if Italy recieves the Greek treatment, so some interesting Italian CS could be depicted without losing the ability to found more cities, like Venice in Civ V. I'd like to see trade oriented Venice or Genoa and culture oriented Florence.
One Celtic tribe in particular (preffering Gauls): I'm tired of Celtic blob. Gauls are good enough to replace the blob, and they have also a good leader choice - Vercingetorix.
Honorable mentions: Sweden, the Papal States, Austria, Al-Andalus/Moors
If they end up making a civ that cannot declare war, but is very defencive, then Switzerland is an ideal candidate for that idea...and would make it rather unique as well.
Voted for Italy, about time it gets added in the same manner as Germany and Greece, in this case a renaissance focus is a given. The Goths because they did play quite an important role in European history and finally Austria because it was a dominant power that shaped the continent.
A difficult choice this, but I'm limiting myself to one option in each poll because Lord knows Europe is pretty crowded already...
I'm voting not so much "One Celtic tribe in particular", but for the Gauls. Still a confederation of tribes, but ones that were actually related and actually existed in history, albeit briefly. Why? Because I'm biased, and ancient Celtic cultures are cool.
Honourable mentions to Portugal and an Italian CS (including the Vatican) because they give opportunities for very interesting play-styles.
I vote Portugal, Italy and Celtic Tribe (Gauls)
Portugal of course is a main stay and their great achievement with exploring the world
Italy deserve its own appearance other than Rome
Gauls, well i think blob Celts is not my preference but i think Celtic culture need their representation other than Scotland which more British and modern
I would like to see more Civs with unique strategies. Like Venice in Civ5, it was imho the most interesting civ to play.
So, i voted
- Switzerland - peace-only country, geat possibilities for some heavy-alliance game and future diplo victory
- Papal States (Vatican) - Venice-like with religion bias, they could redesign religious victory around it.
Papal States would be cool. It'd be a neat opportunity to have some really unique UA. Maybe something that could force diplomacy deals on civs that follow whatever religion is their majority religion -- end a war or start a war for example. Or, maybe as soon as they complete a holy site district -- they immediately get a great prophet. Or any city that borders them and has every pop following their religion can immediately be annexed for faith (or gold). There's really a lot of options.
As for leaders -- there are tons of really interesting popes. And like almost all leaders -- not without their own controversies, tragedies, scandals, and triumphs. However, whoever might lead the Papal States, it's a great opportunity to have a leaders with a ton of bling. If I were on the art team and choosing a leader for them, I would definitely go for whoever wore the most gold and outrageous vestments. Put in some gregorian chant for music and you'd have a really memorable, unique civ/leader.
I wouldn't mind seeing Ireland (perhaps lead by Brian Boru) as a Celtic civ, but it would be also cool to have an ancient Celtic civ instead. But not as a "Celtic blob", Gauls sound fine in this case.
I also voted for Malta - it has interesting history
List leader ideas for Western Europe
Abd ar Rahman III of Al-Andalus
Franz Joseph of Austria
Leopold II of Belgium
Boudicca of the Celts
Margaret I of Denmark
Carl Mannerheim of Finland
Charlemagne of the Franks
Alaric of the Goths
Brian Boru of Ireland
Lorenzo de Medici of Italy
Jean Parisot de la Valette of Malta
Innocent III of the Papal States
John I of Portugal
Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden
Guillaume Henri Dufour of Switzerland
Owain Glyndwyr of Wales
List leader ideas for Western Europe
Abd ar Rahman III of Al-Andalus
Franz Joseph of Austria
Leopold II of Belgium
Boudicca of the Celts
Margaret I of Denmark
Urho Kekkonen of Finland
Charlemagne of the Franks
Alaric of the Goths
Brian Boru of Ireland
Giuseppe Garibaldi of Italy
Jean Parisot de la Valette of Malta
Innocent III of the Papal States
Maria I of Portugal
Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden
Guillaume Henri Dufour of Switzerland
Owain Glyndwyr of Wales
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