Update 1.3.0 is on the horizon + a message from the devs!

[Smegger213]

No, they have not done that unless you're counting proper expansion packs as "DLC". None of the smaller DLCs made any changes to game mechanics like you're suggesting.

Both Civ 5 and 6 had major dlc that changed lots of game mechanics. I fully expect Civ 7 to have some of that type of dlc. It may not come until later next year. But am sure we will get that sort of dlc. Along with more Civ and leader dlc.

 

[Smegger213]

I was being serious. I was taking your concerns as genuine. If you can't accept mild criticism when you make unsubstantiated claims, that's on you.

Tides of Power will not unlock the naval rework. It will unlock leaders and civilisations. Claiming or suggesting otherwise is wrong. There's nothing wrong with being wary of things that might happen in the future, but without evidence it's a pretty weak claim. Cheers.

I never said anything about Tides of Power. I am on about the prospect of changed mechanics dlc which includes any major expansions.

 

[Kwami]

Both Civ 5 and 6 had major dlc that changed lots of game mechanics. I fully expect Civ 7 to have some of that type of dlc. It may not come until later next year. But am sure we will get that sort of dlc. Along with more Civ and leader dlc.

OK, sure. Civ7 will probably have two expansions that add and substantially change game systems. Same as it's always been since Civ2.

 

[Smegger213]

OK, sure. Civ7 will probably have two expansions that add and substantially change game systems. Same as it's always been since Civ2.

There is bound to be a dlc that will add a 4th age too. They may call it the information age.

 

[Evolena]

I am on about the prospect of changed mechanics dlc which includes any major expansions.

That's about the very nature of what is called an expansion versus mere DLC (even though technically both are DLC, so please let's all be precise with our wording), but the discussion was about the current update and DLC Collection, not about expansion for next year or two.
I don't think what they are speaking of improving in the current update check-ins or other dev updates are intended to wait until the first expansion, and I believe that it will therefore be free updates. But I can't prevent you to not think like this.

 

[Gorbles]

I never said anything about Tides of Power. I am on about the prospect of changed mechanics dlc which includes any major expansions.

You quoted HanNorwood, who said:

"With Tides of Power coming with a pretty hefty refinement of naval systems in CIV VII, I am really intrigued by the possibility of future DLCs being the same."

Your response was:

"Off course they will put stuff in a paid dlc that should be a patch for the main game.
"oh look, buy our religion dlc to get your religion overhauled" etc etc."

HanNorwood was talking about Tides of Power, and consequently also any future DLC. You replied to them, about what they were talking about.

I've already said if you're worried about them reserving mechanical updates for paid DLC, I understand. But at no point has Firaxis locked core feature overhauls behind DLC. DLC content has been reserved for new, not changed features. So the evidence isn't on the side of fearmongering, here.

 

[Niallism]

Look mate. If I want to call it an insult, I can do so.
Britain is one of the oldest countries in the world, among with a good few other countries.
Just to include them as a Modern Civ was an insult in my book.

But this thread is supposed to be about what's coming in the next update, so lets just stick to that subject.

Countries don't have a clear age. Even states don't really.

Several states, nations, tribal groups, empires, and ethnicities have inhabited the British Isles, but which is a 'country' is complex. But jingoistic narratives are particularly seductive to inhabitants of island states and former imperial powers.

Anyway, you can call it cheesecake or gammon if you like, that doesn't make it a reality.

BUT when you call it something with normative value, you make it a comparison to other nations, and a jingoistic statement. No need for that, is there?

And being jingoistic on a Civ forum seems to be even less worthwhile than usual, since this is a game about conflict between 'Civilizations', even though we can't agree on what a civilization even is.

 

[Niallism]

OK, sure. Civ7 will probably have two expansions that add and substantially change game systems. Same as it's always been since Civ2.

After playing AOW4 a lot, which almost always adds mechanical changes as free updates, and 'content' (equivalent to Civs, leaders, events, units, wonders, and geography) in paid DLC, this aspect of Civ is becoming more and more unpalatable.

Them making Tides of Power free was very smart. They can market it however they want, but many people will take it as an apology for the terrible launch, which I'm sure was their intention.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Them making Tides of Power free was very smart. They can market it however they want, but many people will take it as an apology for the terrible launch, which I'm sure was their intention.

It's "one tool fits all": it's "thank you" for current owners, it's "sorry" for those disappointed to bad launch, it's a preventive measure to cut negativity on questionable pirate civ and it's a marketing tool to drive sales with it's limited free availability.

 

[Smegger213]

You quoted HanNorwood, who said:

"With Tides of Power coming with a pretty hefty refinement of naval systems in CIV VII, I am really intrigued by the possibility of future DLCs being the same."

Your response was:

"Off course they will put stuff in a paid dlc that should be a patch for the main game.
"oh look, buy our religion dlc to get your religion overhauled" etc etc."

HanNorwood was talking about Tides of Power, and consequently also any future DLC. You replied to them, about what they were talking about.

I've already said if you're worried about them reserving mechanical updates for paid DLC, I understand. But at no point has Firaxis locked core feature overhauls behind DLC. DLC content has been reserved for new, not changed features. So the evidence isn't on the side of fearmongering, here.

I wasn't directly answering HanNorwood's question.
I was just stating my view that I think they will add mechanic changes to paid for dlc in the future.
Just as I think that there will be a 4th age paid for dlc. Assuming the dev's stick with the age system. But, I cannot see them getting rid of the ages system entirely.

Also, didn't Gods & Kings, Brave New World for Civ 5 and Rise & Fall, Gathering Storm for Civ 6 all change core feature overhauls that you had to pay for?

 

[Evolena]

Also, didn't Gods & Kings, Brave New World for Civ 5 and Rise & Fall, Gathering Storm for Civ 6 all change core feature overhauls that you had to pay for?

Most people don't include expansions when they speak of DLC. Maybe because there were a time when expansions were physically purchasable while smaller content was only available as DownLoadable Content. So using only DLC for all is due to cause ambiguities, even if they technically all are nowadays.

 

[Smegger213]

Most people don't include expansions when they speak of DLC. Maybe because there were a time when expansions were physically purchasable while smaller content was only available as DownLoadable Content. So using only DLC for all is due to cause ambiguities, even if they technically all are nowadays.

Well, I do include them. After all, if they want to call them expansions, then fine. But at the end of the day, they are paid dlc that alters core mechanics of the game.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Well, I do include them. After all, if they want to call them expansions, then fine. But at the end of the day, they are paid dlc that alters core mechanics of the game.

Just to recap. You replied to a message with a point completely unrelated to the message. You used terms in a different way than most people on this forum (including the author of original message). You expected people to somehow immediately understand what you mean?

P.S. BTW, I still don't understand your problems with expansions affecting game mechanics.

 

[UWHabs]

It's "one tool fits all": it's "thank you" for current owners, it's "sorry" for those disappointed to bad launch, it's a preventive measure to cut negativity on questionable pirate civ and it's a marketing tool to drive sales with it's limited free availability.

When we had chatter on here in the summer, I thought that a great play for them would be to give some free content. It's definitely a good move all around, and I'm glad that they opted for it. I do hope that in the end they are rewarded for it.

Just to recap. You replied to a message with a point completely unrelated to the message. You used terms in a different way than most people on this forum (including the author of original message). You expected people to somehow immediately understand what you mean?

P.S. BTW, I still don't understand your problems with expansions affecting game mechanics.

I mean, sure, I want all the core elements to come for free. I do sincerely hope that they don't just leave religion as-is, and then overhaul it in an expansion, since I do think that even without an expansion, the systems should be at least "ok", which I don't consider religion to be at the moment.

But they could easily do a mini overhaul of religion without going overboard, just something to kill some of the tedium and annoyances of it, but then in an expansion do a larger, more expansive overhaul of it all.

 

[StargazingDog]

I see the game hasn't left early access yet. Hell, they are even making it formal now with official beta testers. It’s been nine months and we are still getting sweeping changes to core mechanics and “balance passes”. I had to chuckle at the fact they fixed the exact same mistake they made with Civ 5: all naval units were initially melee.