Joij21
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Who doles out the houses then?
Upward Pressure On Wages
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Who doles out the houses then?
Senethro
Overlord
Anyone but landlords.
Joij21
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Not all homes are rentals though, so for many houses its just a bank and a mortgage.
innonimatu
the resident Cassandra
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Social housing is nothing know. We all know who to make it work. In large urban regions where it isn't being built and maintained, it is because the lobbies of real estate profiteers have managed to block it. Availability of social housing pulls rents and prices down, that gets in the way of making big profits.
Zardnaar
Deity
Pretty much. Also requires higher taxes to pay for it.
Hopefully things will slowly change soon. Neo liberalism seems to be running out of gas as even the middle class is seeing it doesn't work.
And one can look at places like Vienna as well
Zardnaar
Deity
Middle class are often the swing voters.
It's not universal but the majority of the voters left/right break along economic lines.
Top 30% tend to vote 70%+ right? Reverse % in bottom 30% .
Zardnaar
Deity
When it comes to power yes.
Zardnaar
Deity
I think the main problem is people want solutions now.
Even if elected they can't do that much. It took 40 years to get to this point. Before that the old order had around 40 years as well since the Great Depression.
Change can happen quite quickly if people demand hard enough or if at least there is nothing standing in the way, and we have leaders willing to build coalitions across traditional political lines to break the power of your usual swing voters.
Survey after survey keeps suggesting that there is a clear majority of voters who will support, if only passively, policies that more equally distribute wealth in society. But it's not a priority for many of them, and those who will lose out are very loud and cashed up.
Survey after survey keeps suggesting that there is a clear majority of voters who will support, if only passively, policies that more equally distribute wealth in society. But it's not a priority for many of them, and those who will lose out are very loud and cashed up.
aelf
Ashen One
Immigration can cause issues, but the fastest way to put upward pressure on wages is to have labour protections and bargaining power for both native and immigrant workers. Trying to bar immigrants from coming in without actual left-wing reforms is like putting the cart before the horse and then shooting the horse just because.
Zardnaar
Deity
Can't win elections reliably if immigration is a hot button election topic.
If immigration doesn't effect wages etc why do business associations love it?
I'm not saying 0 immigration is the goal in NZs case they could cut it in half and have it roughly equal to the USA (proportionally) or cut it by 85% and be in line with a few European nations.
25% pop growth in 15 odd years could easily be 12.5 or 6%.
On the plus side my house doubled in value in 5 years.
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dunedin-district-plan-variation-aimed-cutting-housing-deficit
Fake money though.
I think it's quite right and proper for any decent society to have principles which can only be messed with in exceptional circumstances.
Personally freedom of movement, and to live wherever you want, because you're a free human adult, is one of those principles. We already live in a very restricted world in terms of movement and I'm not supportive of increasing restrictions unless it is either temporary or it can be justified that a society cannot functionally manage without increased restrictions.
Every "do immigrants bring down wages" and "how much" discussion I've seen suggests that the answer to the first is "inconclusive" and the answer to the second is "not much". And there are other ways with which societies can provide better lives for their people so further restricting this what I consider to be a fundamental human right is not necessary anyway.
Personally freedom of movement, and to live wherever you want, because you're a free human adult, is one of those principles. We already live in a very restricted world in terms of movement and I'm not supportive of increasing restrictions unless it is either temporary or it can be justified that a society cannot functionally manage without increased restrictions.
Every "do immigrants bring down wages" and "how much" discussion I've seen suggests that the answer to the first is "inconclusive" and the answer to the second is "not much". And there are other ways with which societies can provide better lives for their people so further restricting this what I consider to be a fundamental human right is not necessary anyway.
Zardnaar
Deity
Well its screwing over the poor here.
aelf
Ashen One
This is a non-sequitur.
Zardnaar
Deity
Nevertheless I have posted links about Employers and Manufacturers Union wanting more workers.
During a pandemic. With a backlog of citizens trying to return.
Complete mystery why.
aelf
Ashen One
Can immigrant workers suppress wages? It depends. Does the economic benefit of immigration outweigh its costs? It depends. There's no universal and eternal answer to these questions.
But you know what is true? Business will exploit labour and suppress wages if labour has no protection and no bargaining power.
But you know what is true? Business will exploit labour and suppress wages if labour has no protection and no bargaining power.
