US vs China

[Knight-Dragon]

Originally posted by Tritium
manchus may no thave been native but they were sinocized after a period of time and themselves became just as much chinese as the chinese.

Under the constitution of the People's Republic of China today, Manchus are still considered a separate minority ppl. And many still hold on to this cos of the many benefits (exclusion fr the one child policy system, minority benefits etc). Even though they can't speak a word of Manchu and to all appearances and customs, look and behave much like Chinese.
And under the Manchu dynasty, they were still being viewed as a foreign ppl by the native Chinese, no matter how Sinicized. 'Fan qing fu ming' (topple the Qing, restore the Ming) was a very powerful rallying cry for the anti-Qing Chinese rebels.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Originally posted by cataclysm


Can you summerize it for me? It's already 5Am and I'm a bit tire. Damn civ3

Did you know that recently the Pope offically apologize to the Chinese government for what western missionaries did to Chinese people in the early 1900? The news said the pope hoped to restablish relationship with China

The White Papers do not lend themselves to summarization. They are a series of position papers published by the ChiCom gov't some time ago, and touch on a great many topics. Actually, the most accurate way to describe them is to say that they allude to touching on those topics.

A basic summary would go like this:

TOPIC
"The PRC fels this way about TOPIC. We therefore do this about TOPIC. If you have a problem with that, go **** yourself. We feel that this is a perfect solution to TOPIC. If you disagree, go **** yourself."

or like this:

TOPIC
"TOPIC is important to PRC." [Long, rambling, uterly meaningless and totally unrelated statement, citing ancient Chinese history, the positions of the stars, the length of a Lhasa Apso's dick, and whether or not starfish taste good in seafood salad.] "TOPIC is important to PRC."

The White Papers are basically the PRC's way of ignoring, brushing aside, and completely dismissing world opinion, so that they can continue to butcher their peasants in peace.

Fayadhi posted a link to them earlier. I urge all of you to follow that link and see for yourself. If you feel that I am wrong, feel free to lambaste me for it.

 

[JoeM]

...When I saw the subject I thought this might throw up a genuine discssion as to what it was that had great effects on humanity. Not just a ***** about who's the most powerful nation currently.

For example where would anyone be without fire, the wheel, paper, etc. ?

Also the sciento-philosophical undertakings of the Greeks?(And others)

I've been thinking recently about all the technological advances in the last century and wondered what really will have an impact on society.

The social impact from video recording, which gave the ability for the first time *ever* for people currently living to see generations now dead. There is no need to imagine what our recent ancestors looked like, or what they did and wore, because we can now check out our family vid albums...

Just a thought.

 

[damunzy]

Fayadi we are watching you. You seem to post a lot of pro-China threads under the guise of 'discussion'. This site's forums are not a place to preach your beliefs on others. I am going to leave this thread open but if I find you are posting more multiple threads I will start closing them all, like I have already done to one of them in this particular forum.

 

[cataclysm]

Originally posted by PaleHorse76
Fayadi we are watching you. You seem to post a lot of pro-China threads under the guise of 'discussion'. This site's forums are not a place to preach your beliefs on others. I am going to leave this thread open but if I find you are posting more multiple threads I will start closing them all, like I have already done to one of them in this particular forum.

Woohoo, how evil

Can you do me a favor? Can you please lock the "super power" thread in the off topic section and reopen the one in the history section?

I had taken a look at the one in history, didn't know it's existence until you mentioned it. To me, it's quite idiotic although there are some good posts. But still, I like the one in this section better.

Please?

thanks

 

[Hamlet]

I would probably say China here. And The US sure as hell isn't the greatest civ of all time, fs. It's only been around for around 220 years, and has only really been of any major consequence for 80 (or less, arguably) of that on the world stage.

 

[VoodooAce]

Originally posted by Fayadi
Remember China has not yet reached its full potential ,every intelligent man describe China as a sleeping Dragon!Once they wake up they will rock the world!

Yeah, didn't he say that, like, 1500 years ago?

Anyway, per year of existence, USA by far.

China only had a few thousand years headstart, but the USA is closing fast....

How 'bout this for the next poll?

Who will be the USA's main competitor after china?

 

[cataclysm]

Heh, first of all I'm doing this for fun

Originally posted by VoodooAce
Yeah, didn't he say that, like, 1500 years ago?

Who? And you might be right some guy said it, that was when they fought against different tribes. Guess what China won in the end.

Anyway, per year of existence, USA by far.

ok, how about the total?

China only had a few thousand years headstart, but the USA is closing fast....

please define "fast"

How 'bout this for the next poll?

Who will be the USA's main competitor after china? [/B]

How about this topic: Why there are so many ignorant American?

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Originally posted by VoodooAce
Yeah, didn't he say that, like, 1500 years ago?

Anyway, per year of existence, USA by far.

China only had a few thousand years headstart, but the USA is closing fast....

How 'bout this for the next poll?

Who will be the USA's main competitor after china?

That saying wasn't by all 'intelligent men' or what. It was said by none other than Napoleon Bonarparte. Exact quote is - China is a sleeping giant; awaken her and the world will tremble. It was said during a time when Europeans still held China in awe and Chinoise (things Chinese) was a fave trend in Europe.

The thing bout China is her resilience and her ability to bounce back after every national disaster or foreign invasion. E.g. remember the Mongols who completely subjugated China centuries ago? They were eventually kicked out. Others like the Jurchens or Manchus or the Toba Wei or Khitans were assimilated.

So this present period is merely a short 'chaotic' term in China's long history. Eventually, China will catch up with America, and maybe surpass her too. They got more ppl. It may take centuries if necessary but it'll come.

 

[knowltok]

I think threads like this are great. They do a wonderful job of identifying who thinks before they post and who puts out a bunch of rubbish. Tempers get heated and you get to see who will bash entire groups in their anger. You also get to see who comes into a thread like this with a set opinion unwilling to acknoledge the points of an opposing view.

I vote for the English. They can take credit for America as well as the current international language. The industrial revolution started in England. Actually English culture is the root of America, Canada, and Australia. It has touched more of the world than any other culture and has influenced the world for the last 400 years. The concepts of individual liberty and personal freedom got their modern start in the English world.

Now this is just my thought. Feel free to disagree with it if you choose, but their is no need to resort to hysterics to disprove my thoughts. Nor is their any need to characterize a group or a nation as ignorant or arrogant.

Please note that I am not trying in any way to justify actions taken by a nation or government, merely to touch on cultural highlights.

 

[adamsj]

China discovered Gunpower! There I think that says it all!

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by VoodooAce
Who will be the USA's main competitor after china?

Personally, I think "Who will be China's next competitor after the USA?" would be a better question. When all these hugely populated third world countries get their economies etc sorted out, they will kick backside. It'll be a long time away, but it'll happen.

 

[JoeM]

Could someone change the header for this thread to 'Who is the Best, US or China?' or perhaps 'My Dad's better than yours' as it's really starting to bug me that it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with achievements of any kind by any nation.

 

[cataclysm]

Originally posted by JoeM
Could someone change the header for this thread to 'Who is the Best, US or China?' or perhaps 'My Dad's better than yours' as it's really starting to bug me that it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with achievements of any kind by any nation.

if we can somehow ignore posts by ppl who lives in US and China in this thread it will be a lot less pointless.

Anyways, here is a question: what government system will China adopt in the future(or near future)?

 

[Anielewicz]

The pseudo-communism they still retain.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Originally posted by cataclysm
Anyways, here is a question: what government system will China adopt in the future(or near future)?

Communism with Chinese characteristics. After that, democracy with Chinese characteristics.
I think the Communist Party will go the way of the KMT and the former military rulers of S Korea eventually. As the people becomes more affluent, support and voices for a more accountable govt will become louder. Eventually the CCP will become irrelevant IMHO and collapse onto itself. Already there're village-lvl elections in parts of China.
And then, the world hath better be ready cos the Chinese will be seriously contending with other countries. Right now, they're still only half-contending cos they got this CCP govt hobbling them ...

 

[SunTzu]

Fayadi can you please get a life. this is like what, the 6th topic over US vs China that you've posted.

On topic, China wasn't organized until er....1947-48? when the commies took over.
Its still not that organized.

 

[Raptorf22]

Who is the World Super Power now? America. Who come close to America? China,Russia perhaps...........but is it? Only time can tell, yes China is advancing at a fast pace...but arent Americans advancing at a faster rate as well?

by the way...i would love some information on what kind of military,economic charts and information of what China posses so we can compare. Not trying to be offensive, but if a war brakes out now...who will win? and in the next 20 years, If Americans developed the Missile Defense system and war brakes out between these two nations...who would win?

Do anybody forsee China overlapping America in the next 50 years? then again its hard to say...anything can happen in 50 years.....It's all about scientific breakthoughs.....

 

[Raptorf22]

Who contributed more to to Man kind???

First of all, the option should not only state America and China, cause i dont believe that those were the only countries that contributed to man kind....to find that answer we must go all the way back, and yet it will still be a huge controversial topic. No one fact can prove this point......everything invention,era played a big role.....

Who contributed more to Man kind? In wut era are we speaking of? if your question is committed to the last 50 years, it is easily answered. But i dont think this is the case.Therefore it should not, just be America or China but other countries as well......

 

[SunTzu]

I think if the US and china got into a war the Us would win. Ifi t was a cold war with china, the US would win.