v19 bugs and crashes

[Koshling]

I usually copy the minidump into the BtS exe folder and also the DLL and PDB if it is not compiled by me (otherwise it finds those on its own). Then I open the Minidump there (it automatically opens with VC++). Debug into the dump and it displays information. If it loads the symbols correctly, the code lines are displayed for the parts in the DLL.
The second one is entirely outside the DLL.
The first one on the other hand has some lines in the DLL but then crashes outside of it. What I don't get is how he gets to the crashing point from CvUnitAI::AI_update(). The line does not seem like it would execute anything outside the DLL next so the information might be incorrect.

That's exactly what I did, and for me the debugger says it's in Civ4BeyondSword.exe and that stack frames below that cannot be displayed (for both dumps). The modules window correctly confims that symbols are loaded for the DLL. Not sure what I am doing wrong that this isn't working for me (using the latest PDB, which is correct for the version SO was running).

Where in CvUnitAI does your dump claim was on the stack?

 

[AIAndy]

That's exactly what I did, and for me the debugger says it's in Civ4BeyondSword.exe and that stack frames below that cannot be displayed (for both dumps). The modules window correctly confims that symbols are loaded for the DLL. Not sure what I am doing wrong that this isn't working for me (using the latest PDB, which is correct for the version SO was running).

Where in CvUnitAI does your dump claim was on the stack?

It showed Civ4BeyondSword.exe as topmost, then below it the "might be wrong" warning, then two times msvcr71.dll, then line 377 in CvUnitAI.

 

[AIAndy]

@SO,
I updated and now remember why I had not done so before. I have Israel as a AI neighbor. Boy did that wreak havoc on my game. Multiple Non-Fatal Errors, Rampant starvation, loss of gold per turn, loss of newly acquired tech, all the while being under heavy invasions from 2 AI. And I just keep hitting a ceiling at getting past 2012AD on Epic in this game! Every time for the last 3 days while trying to get to a good point to save the turn I get a scrolling CTD. This IS the farhest I've ever made it in a C2C game before a new version comes out. <sigh>

JosEPh

You can revert to an older version in the SVN (but also use the older savegame then).

 

[Koshling]

The 2nd tracker (in city limits) just goes back and forth but going NO place

Fixed this behaviour. It arises when the hunt automation cannot find anything to hunt reasonably close by (in the region it examines) and also cannot find anything unrevealed to explore nearby. In such circumstances it heads for you border, which is really a late-game behaviour to get hunetrs away from deep inside your interior, but doesn't really achieve much when your area is very small (as here). Changed to add one further step between the inability to find hunt or explore targets and the head-to-border step, which does a local explore-step designed to refresh your visibility on revealed, but currntly not visible plots. This causes it to move towards the area you least recently had visibility of, which is likely to be the best chance of finding something to hunt. Anyway - seems to work for this save game...SVN rev 1496

 

[JosEPh_II]

New one, this time selecting a unit to build from the build list.

Even though the revision says 1495 it also states revision 1480 build?

Mini dump attached.

At this rate of CTDs I'm abandoning this game. Seems I can't play thru the Industrial Era on Epic game speed on Noble level, Archipelago map, Huge, with 7AI. I can't get 2 consecutive turns completed without a CTD.

As no one else seems to have this problem, or is not reporting it, so it's got to be on my end somehow. I'm stumped at what to do. Even a new graphics card doesn't help. I'm not a modder so I don't know how to delete XML unit files without crashing the mod. I give up.

JosEPh

 

[strategyonly]

In the attached, the barbarians have quite alot of defensive units (no problem) BUT they are all on a Tribal Village (goody hut) while the city right next to them only has two defenders???

Not resolved to "my" satisfaction, sorry

 

[AIAndy]

New one, this time selecting a unit to build from the build list.

That sounds like a different issue than the others. I will have a look at the dump this evening.

Even though the revision says 1495 it also states revision 1480 build?

1480 is the DLL build revision. The build number is only updated whenever you compile the DLL.

 

[Koshling]

In the attached, the barbarians have quite alot of defensive units (no problem) BUT they are all on a Tribal Village (goody hut) while the city right next to them only has two defenders???

I'm not entirely sure how it works, but triobal villages seem to get their own supplyof barbs. I tyink all you're seeing here is a coincidence between a tribal village (with a lot of units) happening to be near a barb city (with 2 units), and that theyr are actually independent of one another.

 

[Koshling]

New one, this time selecting a unit to build from the build list.

Even though the revision says 1495 it also states revision 1480 build?

Mini dump attached.

At this rate of CTDs I'm abandoning this game. Seems I can't play thru the Industrial Era on Epic game speed on Noble level, Archipelago map, Huge, with 7AI. I can't get 2 consecutive turns completed without a CTD.

As no one else seems to have this problem, or is not reporting it, so it's got to be on my end somehow. I'm stumped at what to do. Even a new graphics card doesn't help. I'm not a modder so I don't know how to delete XML unit files without crashing the mod. I give up.

JosEPh

I'm sure you've provided this info before, but can you tell me what OS you run, and how much physical memory (main memory not video) you have? Also can you load the game and fire up ask manager and tell me what it reports as the memory usage from Civ?

 

[strategyonly]

Another current minidump, most recent SVN change included.

It might be made by me changing from a current game to a re-loaded game?

Solved by Koshling in SVN.

 

[AIAndy]

New one, this time selecting a unit to build from the build list.

It was graphics again. What unit did you try to build?

 

[AIAndy]

Another current minidump, most recent SVN change included.

It might be made by me changing from a current game to a re-loaded game?

DLL crash at line 1668 of CvPlayerAI.cpp due to NULL pointer which means that m_groupCycle contained a bad selection group ID.
It is in the AI part so I guess best Koshling has a look at it.

 

[Koshling]

DLL crash at line 1668 of CvPlayerAI.cpp due to NULL pointer which means that m_groupCycle contained a bad selection group ID.
It is in the AI part so I guess best Koshling has a look at it.

Is there a save game that exhibits it? Not going to get any further than identifying what is NULL (as AIAndy has done) from the minidump. I can try to figure out how that might happen from analysing the code, but it's unlikely I'll suceed to be quite honest.

Edit - actually, looking at this piece of code I think I CAN see the issue. Without a save game I'll have no test case to validate my theory, but I can at least make an in-principal fix.

 

[JosEPh_II]

It was graphics again. What unit did you try to build?

Early tank.

JosEPh

 

[JosEPh_II]

I'm sure you've provided this info before, but can you tell me what OS you run, and how much physical memory (main memory not video) you have? Also can you load the game and fire up ask manager and tell me what it reports as the memory usage from Civ?

Win XP Pro x64, 8GB 1066mhz DDR2 ram.

Where do I find ask manager? Or did you mean Task manager?

Do you need to know my Paging file size?

JosEPh
Edit: 1,410,xxxK CIV 4, savegame file size 3.096K, Savegame attached also new mini dump from Alt-Tab.

 

[Koshling]

Win XP Pro x64, 8GB 1066mhz DDR2 ram.

Where do I find ask manager? Or did you mean Task manager?

Do you need to know my Paging file size?

JosEPh
Edit: 1,410,xxxK CIV 4, savegame file size 3.096K, Savegame attached also new mini dump from Alt-Tab.

Ok, that makes memory issues less likely, though WIn XP 64 bit is another can of worms altogether!

Not 100% sure if this applies to the 64-bit version of Win XP (I **think** it still does apply to th way it runs 32 bit apps like Civ4): http://dwf.blogs.com/beyond_the_paper/2009/04/enabling-3gb-switch-on-windows-vista.html

Is that enabled on your computer if so? (if you are ertain it does not apply to the 64 bit version just ignore me - I admit I'm clutching at straws)

 

[JosEPh_II]

Nope the 3GB/Switch does not apply to x64 OS. I used to use the switch on my old system that was XP Pro x32.

JosEPh

Edit: Changed how windows assigns ram usage under Video Performance to Appearance to see if it would help. I was using Custom with about 4 options selected. Made it thru 4 turns before another CTD. Mini dump attached.

 

[strategyonly]

Now this is really starting to tee me off

With Rev On, when a rebel force appears, they automatically take OVER THE CITY, this is not correct, rev never used to be that way, they were ALL outside the city and not sending my troops outside either.

They either take over the complete city or raze it which is even worse, IMHO.

There has never been a Revolution in a city that in the history of the world that has ever been like this profound behavior, sorry guys.

This is got to be resolved

 

[Koshling]

Now this is really starting to tee me off

With Rev On, when a rebel force appears, they automatically take OVER THE CITY, this is not correct, rev never used to be that way, they were ALL outside the city and not sending my troops outside either.

They either take over the complete city or raze it which is even worse, IMHO.

This is got to be resolved

REV is (more or less) all Python, which is not something I understand well enough to take on something as massive as REV. Need a volunteer...

 

[Stormwind]

While playing in one of the "Great person has compiled a list" popups I noticed that I was last in culture rating which was odd. I checked victory progress and found that my culture was deep in the negative. Strg-Shift-R didn't do anything. See screenshot.

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The score per city was about right

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Maybe this is a side effect of having no espionage and piling up the espionage points on top of the culture points ?

Also, savegame attached, max compat, revision should be 1460.

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