Vanilla Civilization Overhauls

[Hans Castorp]

Fair enough. Hyvaa vappua!

 

[Icaria909]

I just want to see America, India, and Byzantium completely changed.

For Byzantium, I wish they would get rid of their UA entirely. They should have a UA that takes advantage of the new trade system (Constantinople was the center of the East/West and Black Sea/Mediterranean trade routes) and give some type of defense bonus to their capital (I'm so mad the designers did nothing with Theodosian walls for them). Scrap the dromon and replace it with a shrine that adds +2 faith or something and allow cataphracts bonuses to upgrade. I think that would make them a viable civ again.

 

[Louis XXIV]

That's not happening.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

I think they are only gonna update civs who's abilities are obselete (Arabia, France, possibly Germany because of the Zulus).

Hopefulyl they'll update India's so they aren't penalized (I don't mind penalties but I can't help but be irritated if India is the only Civ with a penalty unique ability).

 

[Inhalaattori]

India should be changed. I dont see problem with America UA.

 

[bcaiko]

Though it's obvious now that certain Vanilla (and possibly G&K) Civs will be overhauled, I still think that the sheer number of Civs getting a change will be conservative. And the ones being changed will likely only be those that touch on the new mechanics.

And India. Because India's UA is deserving of change.

 

[Arachnofiend]

Even though I like America as it is I could see them changing the UA to focus on tourism. Call it Coca-colonization.

India is the only civ that needs a change for balance reasons because no civ is that frightfully bad, yeesh.

 

[ImperialChaos]

I think it's in universal agreement that India should be revamped. The UA is terrible.

I would like to see America get a more culture UA for BNW as I see America's role in the Democratic/Fascist/Communist ideological clash as paramount and BNW is said to focus on this clash as well.

 

[IkM]

they must polish or change Indians, Arabians, Ottomans, Monguls' UA.

 

[Louis XXIV]

What's wrong with the Ottoman UA these days? It's actually quite powerful and, when combined with their super-powerful Janissary, they are a very good civ. The only reason I could see them changing it is if they give it to Morocco. However, I like that they're a strong land and naval civ.

 

[GhostSalsa]

I think it's in universal agreement that India should be revamped. The UA is terrible.

I would like to see America get a more culture UA for BNW as I see America's role in the Democratic/Fascist/Communist ideological clash as paramount and BNW is said to focus on this clash as well.

In an older thread about America I proposed a UA themed around film noir namely a Great Artist generation bonus when America is at war with multiple civs it didn't make as much sense before but now from the sounds of the new culture mechanics it would be killer.

 

[Glassmage]

I think they are only gonna update civs who's abilities are obselete (Arabia, France, possibly Germany because of the Zulus).

Hopefulyl they'll update India's so they aren't penalized (I don't mind penalties but I can't help but be irritated if India is the only Civ with a penalty unique ability).

ya know you can remove India's penalty very easy right in the xml file? You can still get achievements.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Yes, I know, but that's not the point. Haha. you could change and lua every ability one way, acheivements or no acheivements.

 

[Arachnofiend]

In an older thread about America I proposed a UA themed around film noir namely a Great Artist generation bonus when America is at war with multiple civs it didn't make as much sense before but now from the sounds of the new culture mechanics it would be killer.

I'd see that being more of an ideology tenant, actually. It would make sense for any of them but for gameplay purposes I'd probably put it in the Autocracy tree so that more war=more culture for adopters.

 

[Icaria909]

That's not happening.

I know they won't. I just wish they would.

 

[Calouste]

India should be changed. I dont see problem with America UA.

America's UA is probably stronger in BNW where there is less gold available in the early game. Being able to buy luxury tiles on the cheap could be very useful.

 

[Knut_Are_M]

they need to change Spain as well. That UA is Luck based. Getting a free win once in a while because of Luck is really bad.
India is bad because they get a very slow start.

I would also take a look at Camel Archers and kesiks. those units are broken. There melee defence is too high, and there speed alows for flawless city sieges. Best siege units before artillery.

 

[Arachnofiend]

I'm fine with Spain as is, it can be amusing to have that lolrandom civ to go to and just reroll until you get a hilariously good start that just bowls over the AI. Besides, even if you don't get a NW the Conquistador is a fantastic unit and the Tercio ain't too shabby either.

 

[Matthew.]

Spain is fine. 100 gold and 2 happiness per wonder discovery is already a decent UA. The double NW yield and chance at 500 per discovery is just an extra bonus. If they were to change at all, I'd just remove the bonus gold and keep it at 100 whether first to discover or not. Still a luck/random element to it, but not so instantly game-breaking.

 

[LordProtector]

I hate playing Spain, even though their UUs are wonderful, because their UA is so dreadful IMO. It has nothing to do with Spanish culture, nor it's culture of exploration. The discovery boost is great but something to do with being to first to land on continents would be better, double encampment and ruin yields if Spain is the first civ to arrive? Even taking the settler bonus from the Conqs and adding it to all pre-industrial combat units. I don't know, but Spain needs a rejig. If this UA in part belonged to an Australian civ - i.e. double NW yield - it might have a legit place in in the game