vegetarian

[Sidhe]

@sidhe

i'm fully aware that alot of these animals can thank their existance on us eating them. but the whole concept of taking a life bothers me. the urban sprawl that is killing off these animals habitats and eventually, them, also bothers me, but that is a much more difficult issue to tackle. i know my fiance understands, i'm not doing this in an attempt to keep her or anything, shes already locked down.

I agree it's a a tough world we live in though. Some people fail to accept the fact that humans are eaters of meat for more than just luxury. But of course in the west we have the freedom to chose to make a statement about our beliefs.

So long as you don't become one of those self righteous ex's. You know like people who give up smoking when they start hasseling smokers, I hate those jerks, you had a choice to give up smoking they have a choice to smoke, now sit down and shut up and put that longing for a drag on someone elses cigarette to better use

Become a budhist too, it teaches you to forsake the desires of the flesh, cause trust me when you smell a burger or bacon cooking it aint gonna be easy

 

[Narz]

Frankly, what country doesn't ?

heh heh, touche'

I haven't read the book actually so I can't say exactally what it's main conclusions are, here's the Amazon link about it :

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/19...f=pd_bbs_1/102-2255626-6472147?_encoding=UTF8

 

[Narz]

cause trust me when you smell a burger or bacon cooking it aint gonna be easy

You'd be suprised. I can enjoy the smell of bacon without wanting to eat it, pizza too (though that was much harder).

 

[El_Machinae]

Spirulina!

That's the stuff that the person in the Millennium Project wanted to harvest (it's a pretty good book, actually). He thought it would be worth a fortune and could be harvested using OTEC technologies.

 

[Urederra]

The best sources of protein are plant based - the algae's (chlorella, spirulina, blue-green algae), wheatgrass, hempseeds, etc.

We really don't need THAT much protein anyway. Eat too much protein and you damage your kidneys and leech calcium from your bones.

You are odd, narz.

The best (tasting) source of proteins in vegetables are leguminoses. Beans, lentils, peas, chickenpeas... Of course it is taste based and therefore is an opinion.

Do you eat shrimps? A vegetarian friend of mine use to eat shrimps from time to time because she has cats, (like you), and one of them is allergic to some canned cat food, so sometimes she gives it some shrimps based food, so she feel a bit stupid feeding her cats with shrimps and not eating them herself.

EDIT: No fish as well?

 

[Till]

Hang on there... she is feeding shrimps to her cat? You'd have to be a millionaire to affort that here!

 

[BirraImperial]

I prefer eating meat. Kill or be killed. That's the way it is.

 

[Sidhe]

You'd be suprised. I can enjoy the smell of bacon without wanting to eat it, pizza too (though that was much harder).

I'm going to have to take your word for that Narz I'm not that strong, and you're practicaly a budhist if you can do that anyway

 

[Urederra]

Well... not very often, and although I haven't owned a cat myself, I guess cats doesn't eat 2 pounds of food every day. And I am sure she does not buy the expensive jumbo ones, just the tiny ones.

I have never get the difference between prawns and shrimps, though, Is it British vs. American or there is any difference in size?

 

[Sidhe]

Prawn Versus Shrimp: What's the Difference?


this:-

A closely related variety of shrimp is the prawn. People often wonder what the difference is between the two. Depending on where in the world you happen to ask the question, the answer can be quite different.

That's because many regional differences of opinion concerning this question have developed. These may be distinctions without a difference in some cases, as certain kinds of each type are hard to tell apart. Their flavors too can be similar depending on preparation style.

In the U.S. for instance, many people refer to any large size shrimp as a prawn. In Europe and some Asian countries, prawns are considered large decapods with long antennae and toothed beaks, some varieties of which have slender bodies, with tails that don't curve under as much as typical shrimp tails.

 

[Ovulator]

You are odd, narz.

The best (tasting) source of proteins in vegetables are leguminoses. Beans, lentils, peas, chickenpeas... Of course it is taste based and therefore is an opinion.

Do you eat shrimps? A vegetarian friend of mine use to eat shrimps from time to time because she has cats, (like you), and one of them is allergic to some canned cat food, so sometimes she gives it some shrimps based food, so she feel a bit stupid feeding her cats with shrimps and not eating them herself.

EDIT: No fish as well?

i live in nebraska so most sea food here is pretty nasty and i don't eat it anyways. but i really have no objection to eating fish at this point, to me, fish are just barely above plants on the scale of life, i barely consider them alive at all.

 

[jonatas]

The best sources of protein are plant based - the algae's (chlorella, spirulina, blue-green algae), wheatgrass, hempseeds, etc.

We really don't need THAT much protein anyway. Eat too much protein and you damage your kidneys and leech calcium from your bones.

Well it depends on how you're defining best, ie. what your goals are. I would think that a lot of guys getting by on the absolute minimum of protein and without meat are going to be skinny as a toothpick and often not as physically strong. That's not something I really aspire to personally But to each their own. I like a lot of vegetarian cuisine and can cook some myself etc, but I would never give up meat,and I don't especially want to be skinny

 

[Narz]

You are odd, narz.

I get that alot.

The best (tasting) source of proteins in vegetables are leguminoses. Beans, lentils, peas, chickenpeas... Of course it is taste based and therefore is an opinion.

Yeah, legumes are a good source of protein. Forgot to mention those.

You Do you eat shrimps? A vegetarian friend of mine use to eat shrimps from time to time because she has cats, (like you), and one of them is allergic to some canned cat food, so sometimes she gives it some shrimps based food, so she feel a bit stupid feeding her cats with shrimps and not eating them herself.

EDIT: No fish as well?

I feed my cats fish sometimes, also raw chicken (bones and all, chopped up very finely). People think that's strange but the bones are where the calcium is, if you only feed cats raw muscle meat they will get sick and calcium deficient. Also the meat I feed them is "natural" and "organic". I give them probiotics also (beneficial bacteria, usually in a powder form).

I'm going to have to take your word for that Narz I'm not that strong, and you're practicaly a budhist if you can do that anyway

It's just a matter of realizing certain stuff isn't good for me. I'm allergic to wheat and dairy but I kept eating it anyway for a long time. Eventually I just stopped and felt much better so I don't really think of it as food anymore. I think of it like flowers, fun to smell but I wouldn't consider eating them.

I'm not Buddist by the way, I do agree with some of their ideals but I value desire and disagree with their premise that "life is suffering".

Well it depends on how you're defining best, ie. what your goals are. I would think that a lot of guys getting by on the absolute minimum of protein and without meat are going to be skinny as a toothpick and often not as physically strong. That's not something I really aspire to personally But to each their own. I like a lot of vegetarian cuisine and can cook some myself etc, but I would never give up meat,and I don't especially want to be skinny

You don't have to eat meat to maintain weight and muscle mass.

http://veganbodybuilding.org/

 

[jonatas]

Narz,

I know there are such a thing as vegan bodybuilders. Strange breed indeed They have harder obstacles to overcome though. Still it would be cool to meet one.

 

[Urederra]

Do vegans eat eggs?

I have read that bodybuilders eat something like 10 eggs whites a day or some odd number like that.

Thanks sidhe for your shrimp/prawn post.

 

[Sidhe]

I'm not Buddist by the way, I do agree with some of their ideals but I value desire and disagree with their premise that "life is suffering".

I believe you'll find that the source of suffering is desire, not life itself that's a bit of a corruption of the message, thus they learn to release the fetters of desire and by it gain true contentment. I'm not a Budhist but I certainly could learn alot about self control from them.

 

[Narz]

Narz,

I know there are such a thing as vegan bodybuilders. Strange breed indeed They have harder obstacles to overcome though. Still it would be cool to meet one.

I don't see them as having harder obstacles to overcome though I know that is the cultural myth. I haven't lost any muscle mass since dropping meat.

Do vegans eat eggs?

No. I may experiment with eggs at some point and see how I feel. My girlfriend eats raw egg yolks sometimes, I personally find them pretty repulsive but maybe if I mixed them in a recipe where I didn't really taste them.

Still, I tend to trust my taste buds, if something doesn't taste right to me, I generally won't eat it. I also find my tastebuds change over time though (for example I didn't used to like tomatoes whereas now I do).

I believe you'll find that the source of suffering is desire, not life itself that's a bit of a corruption of the message, thus they learn to release the fetters of desire and by it gain true contentment. I'm not a Budhist but I certainly could learn alot about sefl control from them.

I thought it was the ATTACHMENT to desire rather than the desire itself.

I have made an effort to not be as attached to outcomes as I once was and I do feel that is a beneficial practice.

I don't always succeed though, but I try to accpet that too.

 

[jonatas]

I don't see them as having harder obstacles to overcome though I know that is the cultural myth. I haven't lost any muscle mass since dropping meat.

Hmm, I don't know though. It's definitely easier to come up with a diet including eggs, milk and meat. If you're trying to maintain an already high level of muscle mass, it becomes much harder if you drop things like eggs and meat/fish/chicken. I seriously doubt Vegans could get as big, ultimately. Maybe a few could, but it would be harder for most in general. I'm not saying it's impossible, because there are some who do it. But they are rare.

Anyway it all depends on what your goals are in any case

 

[Sidhe]

I thought it was the ATTACHMENT to desire rather than the desire itself.

I have made an effort to not be as attached to outcomes as I once was and I do feel that is a beneficial practice.

I don't always succeed though, but I try to accpet that too.

Yep thus the fetters of desire not the desire itself, not even the enlightened Budha existed without desire, for did he not eat? all be it a little, and did he not strive to give his message meaning to many? Now stop asking me about Budhism, I really don't know that much, only enough to know that I would make a bad Budhist as I am now

 

[puglover]

i live in nebraska so most sea food here is pretty nasty and i don't eat it anyways. but i really have no objection to eating fish at this point, to me, fish are just barely above plants on the scale of life, i barely consider them alive at all.

Free life lesson: Stay away from Kansas seafood