Version 2.7 bug reports and feedback

vincentz · Jul 16, 2009

Just a few last minute notes. I wanted to write down everything I found odd, but forgot so the list is incomplete. maybe I edit some more into it later

Encyclopedia : 2 civs knowing a tech and you'll get it too? IMO it should be 4. 3 the least.

Arena : Obsolete by realism? I'm pretty sure there's a lot of soccer/football/baseball/rugby, hell even monstercars/smackdown wrestling etc fans that would disagree. Maybe even give it happiness bonus with mass media. (unless I oversaw a Stadium building or something simular)

Guild Hall : Req Gold? Why? Cannot see any connection between guilds and gold as a resource.

Brothel : No bad health?

Iron Frigate : Req Steam and Steel, but Steel req Steam so steam req is unnecessary

Stone : Stone is a very rare resource in RoM (at least on the maptypes I play) but is it really that difficult to obtain stones? There is however plenty of lead everywhere....

Lumbermill : Req Paper? Shouldnt it be machinery?

Well, thats all for now. All of it minor changes as everything seems to work nicely with the fixes already mentioned in this thread.
(Just survived a 4 civs combined attack including around 200 wooden ships loaded with troops. Damn that was tough

)

Will upload another gamefont tomorrow with the 5 extra guilds.

Eversharpe · Jul 16, 2009

I think there should be a switch from how they're handled. I don't think Cathedrals should be linked to the amount of temples. While a temple should be necessary in the city where the cathedral is to be built. I think it should be the population size of the city that determines if a cathedral is needed.

The same could be done with other "large" buildings like Steel Mills or Food factories etc. I never really saw how a small city of could support industry thats really required of a steel mill.

zappara · Jul 16, 2009

Download Rise of Mankind v2.71!

Note that version this does not contain fixes to the known RevDCM bugs in the event system etc. I've decided to release this version now as there is no given date when next RevDCM version is available so I'll have to wait for it and merge it to the v2.72 patch. Also I needed this version out before I can upload the Mega Civ pack, which is also now ready and zipped but the upload process for it will have to wait to tomorrow. I don't have time now to update all the necessary posts about this new version, will have to do that also tomorrow or on weekend.

I hope it works alright, it's been tested on normal speed to about 50% of game length so far.

cheesemijit · Jul 16, 2009

awesome thanks zap.

konradcabral · Jul 16, 2009

Does it have a changelog? Where is it?

Desolator · Jul 16, 2009

konradcabral said:
Does it have a changelog? Where is it?

Here is an earlier progress update posted by zappara. Full changelog is not yet available. Maybe tomorrow or at the weekend as it is written in post #343.

Afforess · Jul 16, 2009

No patch? We have to redownload? Aw...

Oh and Zappara, you should have your Addon's and Scenarios on your sig redirect to both forums. Maybe split them up so Addons brings people to the Modmod's forum and Scenario's goes the the Scenario forum. Your current link is out of date.

EDIT: I noticed that you made your custom leaders enabled by default. Is that going to be the new standard. I have no problem with it, it just means I have to reconfigure a few modules.

EDIT2: Also, you missed my latest Realistic Diplomacy update, which fixes the issues with the diplomacy music. Oh well.

EDIT3: Here's the changelog for those who care:

Spoiler :

EDIT4: Gah! you changed the MLF loading controls on us, messing up over half of our addons! Time to go release more updates.

fox456 · Jul 16, 2009

Something I just noticed in the German civilization, it says that the Mailed Knight is a unique unit replacing the Mailed Knight....

Afforess · Jul 16, 2009

For anyone using custom addons for Rise of Mankind, please download this fix. Otherwise, they will not load. They should fix all of my modules, all of Jooyo's (I think, I may have missed some) and all of Vincentz and Xionns. I don't use Aaranda's stuff, so it won't fix those.

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Zappara, can you make this fix standard in the next patch?

GyroLeader · Jul 16, 2009

Is it just me or is this version 2,70 slower than earlier versions, because, i am getting very long wait between turns and pretty early. So has there been major changes in 2,7 or what?

JosEPh_II · Jul 16, 2009

Thank you zappara for the 2.71!

JosEPh

Dancing Hoskuld · Jul 16, 2009

GyroLeader said:
Is it just me or is this version 2,70 slower than earlier versions, because, i am getting very long wait between turns and pretty early. So has there been major changes in 2,7 or what?

It may be the amount of logging that is turned on by default.

Simon_Sez · Jul 16, 2009

I captured the holy city of Naghualism and used my next great prophet to build Teotihuacan.I receive the gold and culture bonus but no free specialists, despite owning several quarries, though none are within the holy city's radius. I checked cities with quarries and no free specialists there either. How does this bonus work? BTW, my state religion is christianity.

Dancing Hoskuld · Jul 17, 2009

Oh dear! In RoM 2.71 early exploration by sea no longer happens now that galleys and triremes can enter the ocean. The AI is not smart enough to explore along coasts first so their ships head straight out into the ocean only to sink

HiRezAudio · Jul 17, 2009

WIll 2.71 fix some of the graphical crashes to desktop I keep getting?
Graphics settings are not full on, although all except terrain detail is set to high, movies to medium.
I regularly get 2 different crashes.
One says it's a graphics memory thing, and the other keeps saying something about bad allocation.
Either way the result is the same, crash to desktop.
Relaunching (after making sure there is nothing active in processes by using the good old-fashioned 3 finger salute of CTRL/ALT/DEL) always "fixes" the problem.
It cannot be graphical memory - I have a 512Mb NVidia chip on the laptop. GE Force GO7600.
I have a dual core CPU & 2Gb RAM.

Should be sufficient, and the BtS normal never, ever crashes.

Dancing Hoskuld · Jul 17, 2009

HiRezAudio said:
WIll 2.71 fix some of the graphical crashes to desktop I keep getting?
Graphics settings are not full on, although all except terrain detail is set to high, movies to medium.
I regularly get 2 different crashes.
One says it's a graphics memory thing, and the other keeps saying something about bad allocation.
Either way the result is the same, crash to desktop.
Relaunching (after making sure there is nothing active in processes by using the good old-fashioned 3 finger salute of CTRL/ALT/DEL) always "fixes" the problem.
It cannot be graphical memory - I have a 512Mb NVidia chip on the laptop. GE Force GO7600.
I have a dual core CPU & 2Gb RAM.

Should be sufficient, and the BtS normal never, ever crashes.

You only have half a gig of graphical memory :eek:

. RoM has many many more graphic stuff in it than BtS, I have one or two gig of video memory and still get some graphical memory problems late in the game. Try using the "static leader heads" and the "no building graphics" modules that Zappara supplied with RoM they should reduce the graphics overload somewhat.

vincentz · Jul 17, 2009

It cannot be the graphic memory. I run full graphics until early industrial and I only have 128mb (Nvidia 8400G) If you have Vista/XP then its a must to use this

For Vista :
(Now we need to make Windows Vista (32-Bit) ready to support more than 2 GByte.
- Open a command prompt with Administration rights. You find it under "Programs->Accessories->Command prompt" click right and select "run as administrator".
- Enter "bcdedit /set IncreaseUserVA 3072" (without quotes) in the command window and press enter.
After that restart windows)

It solved everything for me (Vista). Havent had a memory crash since. Without it I cannot run RoM at all. Hope it works.

os79 · Jul 17, 2009

vincentz said:
It cannot be the graphic memory. I run full graphics until early industrial and I only have 128mb (Nvidia 8400G) If you have Vista/XP then its a must to use this

For Vista :
(Now we need to make Windows Vista (32-Bit) ready to support more than 2 GByte.
- Open a command prompt with Administration rights. You find it under "Programs->Accessories->Command prompt" click right and select "run as administrator".
- Enter "bcdedit /set IncreaseUserVA 3072" (without quotes) in the command window and press enter.
After that restart windows)

It solved everything for me (Vista). Havent had a memory crash since. Without it I cannot run RoM at all. Hope it works.

In addition, download CFF Explorer, then use it to change the .exe of BtS to address more than 2gb of memory. That's it.

vincentz · Jul 17, 2009

I didnt use CFF Explorer. Don't even know what it is

zappara · Jul 17, 2009

Afforess said:
No patch? We have to redownload? Aw...

Oh and Zappara, you should have your Addon's and Scenarios on your sig redirect to both forums. Maybe split them up so Addons brings people to the Modmod's forum and Scenario's goes the the Scenario forum. Your current link is out of date.

EDIT: I noticed that you made your custom leaders enabled by default. Is that going to be the new standard. I have no problem with it, it just means I have to reconfigure a few modules.

EDIT2: Also, you missed my latest Realistic Diplomacy update, which fixes the issues with the diplomacy music. Oh well.

EDIT3: Here's the changelog for those who care:

EDIT4: Gah! you changed the MLF loading controls on us, messing up over half of our addons! Time to go release more updates.

1. Custom leaders was added to enhance Revolution mod's choice of leaders when revolts happen. Though there's still few civs with only 1 leader but one of the goals has been to have at least 2 leaders per civ.

2. I guess I missed that update, will have to add it in v2.72.

3. thanks for posting the changelog

4. Yes, WoC modular system had to be enabled to avoid possible issues with the BtS modular system which was not designed for WoC style modules. The unfortunate downside is that MLF control files are needed now to load any modules and that most custom modules need updates - but eventually this benefits all of us.

For anyone using custom addons for Rise of Mankind, please download this fix. Otherwise, they will not load. They should fix all of my modules, all of Jooyo's (I think, I may have missed some) and all of Vincentz and Xionns. I don't use Aaranda's stuff, so it won't fix those.

Zappara, can you make this fix standard in the next patch?

Sure I can. Note that modmods can hold those MLF control files as well, so I don't actually have to include them for all the possible subfolders defined in the MLF file in Modules folder. If several modmod maker wants to use same subfolder, you should work together a bit to avoid possible conflicts if several modmaker adds custom stuff to same folders. Anyway I'll try to add good variety of load controls for different subfolders (requests for subfolder names accepted) so that we can keep conflict amount in minimum.

Dancing Hoskuld said:
Oh dear! In RoM 2.71 early exploration by sea no longer happens now that galleys and triremes can enter the ocean. The AI is not smart enough to explore along coasts first so their ships head straight out into the ocean only to sink

Actually they might get lucky and survive few turns

but yes, you're right about AI stupidity. However the high sink probability applies only early game which seems realistic to me.

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