Wall Street Slammed After China Stock Woes

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Wall Street Slammed After China Stock Woes

Tuesday , February 27, 2007

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NEW YORK —
Wall Street suffered dramatic losses on Tuesday as an overnight sell-off in China spooked U.S. investors and helped push the Dow Jones industrial average down nearly 550 points, though the markets trimmed losses in late afternoon.

At the close, the Dow was down roughly 415 points, well above the session lows. Just after 3 p.m. ET the Dow was nearly 550 points off its open.

A week ago, the index reached new closing and trading highs, rising as high as 12,795.92.

The decline in the Dow was the first 300 point-plus drop since March, 2003, when the index closed 307.29 points lower. It was also the largest loss since the first trading after September 11, 2001, when the blue chip index dropped 684 points.

Other indices were not immune to the day's losses, as the Standard & Poor's 500 Index was down 49.82 points, or 3.44 percent, to finish unofficially at 1,399.55. The Nasdaq Composite Index was down 96.65 points, or 3.86 percent, to close unofficially at 2,407.87.

The sell-off wiped out the year's gains for all three of the major U.S. stock indexes. At the unofficial closing levels, the Dow was down about 2 percent for the year, while the S&P 500 was down about 1.32 percent and the Nasdaq was down about 0.17 percent.

U.S. stock futures hinted at trouble long before trading opened on Tuesday after China's main equity index plunged on concerns that share valuations there had become overextended and economic growth may slow.

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That sent shivers of fear down Wall Street's spine and prompted investors to dump the shares of companies that rely heavily on Chinese demand, including Caterpillar Inc. (CAT), which was the Dow's biggest decliner.

"We've got a big correction in China and that kind of precipitated" the sell-off," said Todd Clark, director of stock trading at Nollenberger Capital Partners in San Francisco.

"I think that most of this is because the Chinese government ... has suggested they are going to try to take some steps to curb speculation."

The New York Stock Exchange said it instituted trading curbs at 1:03 p.m. amid the plunge in the U.S. stock market.

The Chicago Board Options Exchange Volatility Index, or VIX, which is known as a measure of fear on Wall Street, shot up more than 37 percent, overshadowing the 31.16 percent gain immediately following the terror attacks of September 11, 2001.

Anxieties about the U.S. economy also contributed to the sell-off, as investors' dwindling confidence was knocked down further by data showing that the economy may be decelerating more than anticipated. A Commerce Department report that orders for durable goods in January dropped by the largest amount in three months exacerbated jitters about the direction of the U.S. economy, just a day after former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said the United States may be headed for a recession.

"It looks more and more like the economy is a slow growth economy," said Michael Strauss, chief economist at Commonfund. "Moderate economic growth is good — an abrupt stop in economic growth scares people."

The market had been expecting the government on Wednesday to revise its estimate of fourth-quarter GDP growth down to an annual rate of about 2.3 percent from an initial forecast of 3.5 percent, and grew increasingly nervous on Tuesday that the figure could come in even lower.

The housing market, which the Street had been hoping had bottomed out, also looked far from recovery after a Standard & Poor's index indicated that single-family home prices across the nation were flat in December. A later report from the National Association of Realtors said existing home sales climbed in January by the largest amount in two years, but the data didn't erase housing-related concerns, as median home prices fell for a sixth straight month.

Reuters and the Associated Press contributed to this report.


EDIT: Forgot link. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,254905,00.html

Also, they just added something about how it may be a technical glitch. Personally, the possibility of a glitch in the stock market is more terrifying.
 
Probably nothing but still... Biggest single drop since 9/11.
 
I'll not be looking at my mutual fund account balances for a while. What I don't know won't bother me.
 
Also, they just added something about how it may be a technical glitch. Personally, the possibility of a glitch in the stock market is more terrifying.

The glitch was just a lag in reporting of data. The system was backed up to the volume of trading, so once it finally updated the market dropped 300 points in what appeared to be seconds when it was actually over a more prolonged period.
 
Teh real story is China's Shanghai index increased an unheard of, and very unsafe 130% over the past year.

130%!!!!!!! Dropping 10% doesn't mean anything.
 
Hence my confusion. I come in today and see the world going :run: when over here it's just business as usual. :undecide:
 
When a small dip occurs, usually it feeds on itself because panicked investors sell their stock, causing a bigger decrease, causing even more to panic

Good thing the economy is better regulated then it was in 1929
 
What were the Chinese selling off that caused the Wall street stock market to stumble? Was it their dollar holdings? or their US stock holdings? combination of both? Was this sell off intended as a warning to the US to leave Iran alone?

These are the questions that come to my mind. I wonder who can satisfactorily answer them?
 
What were the Chinese selling off that caused the Wall street stock market to stumble? Was it their dollar holdings? or their US stock holdings? combination of both? Was this sell off intended as a warning to the US to leave Iran alone?

These are the questions that come to my mind. I wonder who can satisfactorily answer them?

In economics you can't realy say that caused it to fall. Economics is crazy, unpredictable, mass phsycology. People are nervous at this time so the second something happens every one sells. Stops and other computer programms that automatically sell also help cause these crashes.
 
What were the Chinese selling off that caused the Wall street stock market to stumble? Was it their dollar holdings? or their US stock holdings? combination of both? Was this sell off intended as a warning to the US to leave Iran alone?

These are the questions that come to my mind. I wonder who can satisfactorily answer them?
Chinese stocks sold off for a combination of reasons.
First, it was purely mainland Chinese (Shanghai) selling that drove the decline and volatility is the name of the game in most emerging stock markets. It was time to shake out all the weak holders.

IE Red chips are shares of Hong Kong-registered companies with large interests in China while H sharesare stock of China-registered companies listed on Hong Kong's stock exchange.

The A shares are stock of companies incorporated in mainland China and listed on the Shanghai or Shenzhen stock exchanges, which can be owned only by local investors and approved foreign investors.

The locals took profits on speculation that the country's leaders may introduce measures to slow the nation's economy, extreme valuations of an overheated stock market and crackdown on illegal trading.

For instance, the price-to-earnings ratio average for the Shanghai A-share market is 48, compared to 14 for the (H share) Hong Kong market and that kind of difference is not sustainable. Seems like pretty typical frothy market behavior to sell off when investors' are overly enthusiastic.

I think it's simply part of a hiccup in the longer upward trend of their markets though valuations look cheaper in Korea, Taiwan, SE Asia and Central Asia in comparison. What will be interesting is whether those countries put pressure on China to revalue their currency since it's hurting other Asian countries export markets.

All foreign markets declined yesterday so it's not isolated to those two respective markets but it was most severe in China.
 
What were the Chinese selling off that caused the Wall street stock market to stumble? Was it their dollar holdings? or their US stock holdings? combination of both? Was this sell off intended as a warning to the US to leave Iran alone?

These are the questions that come to my mind. I wonder who can satisfactorily answer them?

The "Chinese" weren't really selling off anything in particular, and it had absolutely nothing to do with politics.

The Chinese stock exchange dropped almost 10%. (can't remember which one, or if it was both, look it up ;) )

This (naturally) caused European and American stock exchanges to drop a few % each as well, because of fears of a significant economic slowdown for china, which would mean a significant economic slowdown for the world, unless other devolopping countries can pick it up (India! hopefully :D )

But it looks like this isn't too much to worry about, Shanghai index is up 130% the last year, as has been said. Wall Street has also been doing quite nicely the last 6 months; markets were due for a pull-back, and this probably doesn't change anything, for anyone.
 
This (naturally) caused European and American stock exchanges to drop a few % each as well, because of fears of a significant economic slowdown for china, which would mean a significant economic slowdown for the world, unless other devolopping countries can pick it up (India! hopefully )

The stock market in India dropped by 541 points the fourth biggest fall ever.
 
The stock market in India dropped by 541 points the fourth biggest fall ever.

India has also been shattering records. Most economists agree, corrections are healthy. Some will argue it's the beginning of a trend, I disagree. Perhaps investors will start flocking to more fundamentally sound stocks, but overall, it's all just a natural part of the market.
 
India has also been shattering records. Most economists agree, corrections are healthy. Some will argue it's the beginning of a trend, I disagree. Perhaps investors will start flocking to more fundamentally sound stocks, but overall, it's all just a natural part of the market.
Agreed a little country and sector rotation.

Behaviorally people think the point move is more important than the percentage move. Weird.

The other part of the equation was investors were a little too complacent and were not receiving enough compensation for taking on riskier assets.

Both the VIX index and MOVE index (measures of stock and bond market volatility) are at record lows. A great example of this is the junk bond market. In 2001 and 2002 spreads to treasuries bills were around 12% higher. Today they are at record lows around 2.5% (prior low was around 4% in 1998).

Raise your quality everyone. European exporters to consumers in Asia (consumer stocks is an area that Asia has a shortage of) and steady growth.
Companies like Swatch Group (28% of sales to Asia), Nokia (26%), Numico (23%), Adidas (23%) and Merck KGAA(21%) should all could benefit due the their reasonable valuations and strong revenue trends.

I'd start to deemphasize high flying emerging markets and material related businesses should be the order of the day as the central banks tighten.
 
also, China tanked about 12% in about a week in early January, and nobody got scared... in fact, the index is still higher than it was after the previously mentioned slump.

furthermore, China is a regulated market, it is not really open to the foreign public like most world markets.
 
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