Kweli
Chieftain
The Omega said:
sorry for that omega, i am new here. and i've seen this topic. i thought whats going on here a mod against nowaday eu.
and i also don't want to provocate with my pots.
sorry 4 all!
p e a c e
War Against The EU
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sorry for that omega, i am new here. and i've seen this topic. i thought whats going on here a mod against nowaday eu.
and i also don't want to provocate with my pots.
sorry 4 all!
p e a c e
ibcoltscrew
Prince
Well after a long long reading on your debate, i have to say this guy is the only one who really have the (real) good point.Chuck2280 said:
My opinion ...
http://www.thebulletin.org/article_nn.php?art_ofn=so03norris
Let's bombard them... 
THEY GOT WEAPON OF MASSES DESTRUCTION !!! o wait !!! it's the united states on top of the list...
Keep playing civilization guys cause it's the only thing we can really control in this world and to be realist, the end is coming soon and it's not our fault.
Have a nice war and try to be nice with your ennemy cause maybe it's gonna be you the next time !
ibcoltscrew
Prince
Well let's make this clear... ask people from Normandie who save them... who was the VERY FIRST soldier to walk on their LAND ??? Those people were talking FRENCHFinlandiaciv said:
(none of american people could talk french during the second WW) They had a flag Red and White on the left harm (american flag is Blue-White-Red) and they were the little brother of people from France... (USA are Britain's little brother)... also they were with the "Polonais" too... thanks to them for helping us too.If you know the real story about Normandie then you know it was Canada and Pologne but... american people claim they save normandie but it's not the real story cause USA can tell what they want and everyone in the USA will think it's the real thing. My grand-Father was one of the first to walk in Normandie with some other guys for Pologne (they survive !!!) he told me people from Normandie was very happy to see Soldier from Canada and Pologne talking french... Most of american came by air, not by sea... they were too scary to get the beach, so our people did it and after usa secure the beach.
Yes USA did save France but... not he way they claim to !
Read the real story from France and stop reading CNN news, it's all BS !
no offense to the USA, you guys are cool, but god damnit open your eyes and stop claiming your the best on earth, cause we no now (in 2005) it's not the fact.
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
We aren't the best, but we are one of the best...
Chuck2280
A pheasant plucker's son.
Iboltscrew,
First, thank you for the compliment in your earlier post. I am glad someone agrees with a few of my screwy ideas.
Second, I have a minor dispute with a few things in your latest post. While I cannot dispute the presence of Canadians during the D-Day invasions, nor can I dispute the recollections of your grandfather, I can dispute your assertions that most of the American forces arrived by air and that the beaches were secured by Canadian troops long before the amphibious portion of the invasion began.
A simple look at the invading units would tell you that only three of the divisions (out of 9 total) were airbourne. Those units were the 6th British Airbourne Division, the 82nd Airbourne Division, and the 101st Airbourne Division. The 6th British Airbourne landed near Caen, the 82nd Airbourne landed near Ste. Mere-Eglise, and the 101st Airbourne landed between Ste. Mere-Eglise and Carentan. A quick look at the map of the invasion beaches show that the American beaches of Omaha and Utah were closer to the 82nd and 101st's areas of responsibilty. That same look would show that the British and Canadian beaches of Gold, Sword and Juno were closer to the 6th's drop area.
A further look at the list of invading units would show that Americans landed three divisions (the 1st, 4th, and 29th Infantry Divisions), the British landed 2 divisions (the 3rd and 50th Infantry Divisions), and the Canadians landed 1 division (the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division, not to be confused with the 3rd British Inf. Div.).
Now, given that 5 American infantry/airbourne divisions were involved in the invasion and two of those divisions arrived by air, that leaves three divisions that arrived via the sea. Of the total forces involved (Br., Can., and US), the majority showed up on ships, NOT via the air.
Furthermore, your assertion about the beaches being secured before the US forces showed up would probably come as a surprise to the 9000 men killed or wounded on Omaha beach. The beaches were not secured by the airbourne. It simply wasn't their job to secure them. The airbourne (both Br. and US) were to secure the bridges in the immediate invasion area. The British for the most part did achieve this by the set deadline, but due to the scattering of the US drops, the US airbourne had some difficulty in achieve their objectives.
A careful study of the actual invasion and the units involved shows that your arguements do not hold up under scrutiny.
(I apologize to anyone who reads this for the "sketchiness" of the info, but it is late, I am tired, and I am not going to write a complete history of D-Day! Sorry about that.
)
First, thank you for the compliment in your earlier post. I am glad someone agrees with a few of my screwy ideas.
Second, I have a minor dispute with a few things in your latest post. While I cannot dispute the presence of Canadians during the D-Day invasions, nor can I dispute the recollections of your grandfather, I can dispute your assertions that most of the American forces arrived by air and that the beaches were secured by Canadian troops long before the amphibious portion of the invasion began.
A simple look at the invading units would tell you that only three of the divisions (out of 9 total) were airbourne. Those units were the 6th British Airbourne Division, the 82nd Airbourne Division, and the 101st Airbourne Division. The 6th British Airbourne landed near Caen, the 82nd Airbourne landed near Ste. Mere-Eglise, and the 101st Airbourne landed between Ste. Mere-Eglise and Carentan. A quick look at the map of the invasion beaches show that the American beaches of Omaha and Utah were closer to the 82nd and 101st's areas of responsibilty. That same look would show that the British and Canadian beaches of Gold, Sword and Juno were closer to the 6th's drop area.
A further look at the list of invading units would show that Americans landed three divisions (the 1st, 4th, and 29th Infantry Divisions), the British landed 2 divisions (the 3rd and 50th Infantry Divisions), and the Canadians landed 1 division (the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division, not to be confused with the 3rd British Inf. Div.).
Now, given that 5 American infantry/airbourne divisions were involved in the invasion and two of those divisions arrived by air, that leaves three divisions that arrived via the sea. Of the total forces involved (Br., Can., and US), the majority showed up on ships, NOT via the air.
Furthermore, your assertion about the beaches being secured before the US forces showed up would probably come as a surprise to the 9000 men killed or wounded on Omaha beach. The beaches were not secured by the airbourne. It simply wasn't their job to secure them. The airbourne (both Br. and US) were to secure the bridges in the immediate invasion area. The British for the most part did achieve this by the set deadline, but due to the scattering of the US drops, the US airbourne had some difficulty in achieve their objectives.
A careful study of the actual invasion and the units involved shows that your arguements do not hold up under scrutiny.
(I apologize to anyone who reads this for the "sketchiness" of the info, but it is late, I am tired, and I am not going to write a complete history of D-Day! Sorry about that.
)
ibcoltscrew
Prince
You are right about that, i'm talking about little regiment from canada the first day, first landing, first very crucial hour of D-Day.Chuck2280 said:Iboltscrew,
First, thank you for the compliment in your earlier post. I am glad someone agrees with a few of my screwy ideas.
Second, I have a minor dispute with a few things in your latest post. While I cannot dispute the presence of Canadians during the D-Day invasions, nor can I dispute the recollections of your grandfather, I can dispute your assertions that most of the American forces arrived by air...
Also, i'm trying to let american know there was other people on that beach the D-Day and the first soldier to walk on the Normandie beach wasn't american at all
That was my people, the french-canadian and no one can say anything about it 
. About 1600 French-Canadian died the first day and about 1200 survive. I'm just sick of hearing the USA trying to get all the reward for thing they had never done. For exemple, ask any american and most of them think Canada wasn't even there at the WW1 and WW2. But le me know soemthing guys... Canada is a Independante country by now and it's not because of our beautifull eye. We did our best and we prove during the WW1 and WW2 that we can defend ourself and most important, we can and we DO help our friend when they need us. If anyone want to talk about the decision of not going at war against Irak with the USA, i'll be happy to tell you WHY. There is no way we could help the Bush Administration against Saddam Hussein, it's a family thing (Bush Father hate Saddam, Bush son trying to finish the job... They want the oil in the country but can't attack for that reason... They claim he got WMD... well you know! it's a familiy thing, not a national security thing like they claim.)They aren't very good in history cause the american government is doing a good job with the propaganda.
Corvex
Emperor of Canada
Canadians get very little recognition (outside of Canada) for our contributions to the world wars. Our soldiers are almost never mentioned in American war movies, for example. This, of course, is fairly trivial, but it is annoying. After all, we made no small contribution; we were used as cannon fodder by the British throughout the first world war, and served effectively as shocktroops during the last hundred days (nearly one in every ten Canadian males were sent to the trenches of the western front, and our flying aces were considered to be among the best in the empire). We were involved in world war II from the day Hitler invaded Poland, and by the time it was over, we had something like the world's third largest airforce, fourth largest army and fifth largest navy. We fought at Dieppe, Normandy and throughout Italy; the majority of the troops who drove the Nazis from the Netherlands were Canadians. In fact, Canada's industiral base was initially only built-up in order to mass produce weapons and military hardware. In Korea, a Canadian army at Kapyong managed to defeat a Chinese force many times its size.
The reason that I'm mentioning all of these things is this; when you lose more than a hundred thousand soldiers and not one of them (presumably for propaganda reasons) even merits an historical footnote.
BTW: Sword Of Geddon: You're right. America is one of the best nations in the world.
(of course, I still like Canada better )
The reason that I'm mentioning all of these things is this; when you lose more than a hundred thousand soldiers and not one of them (presumably for propaganda reasons) even merits an historical footnote.
BTW: Sword Of Geddon: You're right. America is one of the best nations in the world.
(of course, I still like Canada better
)"If you're in America perhaps it's a tad different."
Plotinus, it might be profitable, in every sense of the word, for you to investigate the nature of that tad. Although you would need to be prepared to reevaluate your statement regarding EU superiority if you do...
There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy. Mine too, for that matter.
Plotinus, it might be profitable, in every sense of the word, for you to investigate the nature of that tad. Although you would need to be prepared to reevaluate your statement regarding EU superiority if you do...
There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy. Mine too, for that matter.
Chuck2280
A pheasant plucker's son.
Iboltscrew,
Wow, you guys are independent?? When did that happen?? (Just kidding).
No one is disputing the contributions Canada made to the war efforts (WW1 or WW2). My contention was merely with the assertion that most American forces arrived by air.
Also, it was more than a little regiment that landed, it was a whole division (the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division). While I am an American, and I am proud of the efforts of my country during WW2, it might be worthy to note that of all the infantry divisions landed at Normandy (US, BR, or CAN), the 3rd Canadian made the deepest penetration of any landed (not air dropped) division on the first day! (Believe it or not, Canadian participation was actually questioned by the planning staff due to the utter destruction of the 2nd Canadian Inf. Div. at Dieppe a few years earlier!)
BTW, and this is completely unrelated to the whole D-Day discusssion, what year do you (Canada) consider to be your year of independence? Is is 1867 or is it after WW1 (sometime in the 1920's, if memory serves me correctly)? I am a little confused on the issue due to the fact that, if I recall correctly, Canadian forces were part of the regular British army in WW1.
Wow, you guys are independent?? When did that happen?? (Just kidding).
No one is disputing the contributions Canada made to the war efforts (WW1 or WW2). My contention was merely with the assertion that most American forces arrived by air.
Also, it was more than a little regiment that landed, it was a whole division (the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division). While I am an American, and I am proud of the efforts of my country during WW2, it might be worthy to note that of all the infantry divisions landed at Normandy (US, BR, or CAN), the 3rd Canadian made the deepest penetration of any landed (not air dropped) division on the first day! (Believe it or not, Canadian participation was actually questioned by the planning staff due to the utter destruction of the 2nd Canadian Inf. Div. at Dieppe a few years earlier!)
BTW, and this is completely unrelated to the whole D-Day discusssion, what year do you (Canada) consider to be your year of independence? Is is 1867 or is it after WW1 (sometime in the 1920's, if memory serves me correctly)? I am a little confused on the issue due to the fact that, if I recall correctly, Canadian forces were part of the regular British army in WW1.
ibcoltscrew
Prince
Answer about the timeline for the indepdance of Canada :
We have just celebrate our 40th years on independance... Not bad at all... we still have a couple hundred years before our nation collapse in corruption... LOL
We have just celebrate our 40th years on independance... Not bad at all... we still have a couple hundred years before our nation collapse in corruption... LOL
Corvex
Emperor of Canada
40 years? What do you mean?
Confederation was 137 years ago. The Statute of Westminster was 75 years ago and the constitution was repatriated 23 years ago. We got our current flag 40 years ago.
Or are you thinking of the recent 400th anniversary of Samuel du Champlain's exstablishment of the first permanent European settlements on Canadian soil?
Confederation was 137 years ago. The Statute of Westminster was 75 years ago and the constitution was repatriated 23 years ago. We got our current flag 40 years ago.
Or are you thinking of the recent 400th anniversary of Samuel du Champlain's exstablishment of the first permanent European settlements on Canadian soil?
Chuck2280
A pheasant plucker's son.
Oy vey! All of those dates just to determine independence from GB/UK?!! Why couldn't you guys make it simple and have a few revolting colonists like here in the states? (All puns intended).
Corvex
Emperor of Canada
Chuck2280 said:Oy vey! All of those dates just to determine independence from GB/UK?!! Why couldn't you guys make it simple and have a few revolting colonists like here in the states? (All puns intended).
Well, I thought about it. But it would be a little redundant to try to overthrow the British government of Canada now, wouldn't it?
Dick Tater
Chieftain
Might give this one a try. Is it based on a novel or something, or what gave you the odd idea?
"(Bush Father hate Saddam, Bush son trying to finish the job... They want the oil in the country but can't attack for that reason... They claim he got WMD... well you know! it's a familiy thing, not a national security thing like they claim.)"
Whoa, might want to lay off the wacky tabaccy there chief. I know its tough trying to process three different issues at the same time an all, but that's the most ridiculous assertion I've heard in awhile.
Whoa, might want to lay off the wacky tabaccy there chief. I know its tough trying to process three different issues at the same time an all, but that's the most ridiculous assertion I've heard in awhile.
Gabryel Karolin
Gammelgädda
So where are the WMDs then?
Oh, forgot, theyre in Syria and Iran now, wonder where theyll move when those countries are occupied too
.Ken the Great
Chieftain
yea, I don't see any download link here...echinococcus said:
btw, EU is built for peace, right? I think it'd be "War Against the USA" instead, they are more powerful, more agressive than the EU.
Corvex
Emperor of Canada
Yeah, but I think this thread was made by an anti-European American. Still, a download would be nice.
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