Was Adam a Slave?

[Berzerker]

God made the Adam (earthling) to work in His Garden, room and board, but Adam's purpose was to labor for God. Slave owners typically want their slaves smart enough to do as told but not so smart as to become a problem. Why does God get mad at Adam? He got too smart and became a problem. So God became angry and gave a speech about how Adam and Eve wont like having to work even harder because of their new found freedom.

How were Adam and Eve to be fruitful and fill the world if they're stuck in the Garden without kids? And how does the snake end up as Satan/Lucifer...the Devil...if confined to slithering the ground by God's curse?

 

[Perfection]

Further proof that God's a jerk

 

[Goodfella]

Aren't we all God's slaves?

 

[Phrossack]

Supposedly God created humans so that they could worship him. Not slavery, but incredibly narcissistic.

 

[ywhtptgtfo]

Supposedly God created humans so that they could worship him. Not slavery, but incredibly narcissistic.

Maybe worshiping him is a human response rather than a divine request... Not like people don't worship their fellow mortals...

 

[Hygro]

Berzerker you have just identified the nature of the MBA.

 

[onejayhawk]

Aren't we all God's slaves?

Only by choice. We can be slaves to the adversary. It comes down to one or the other.

J

 

[Dachs]

AdamCrock appears to be a Slav, yes.

 

[Luckymoose]

The Old Testament is a series of stories about why you should not worship God. There is no other logical explanation.

 

[onejayhawk]

The Old Testament is a series of stories about why you should not worship God. There is no other logical explanation.

I'm curious. How much of it have you read?

J

 

[Domen]

Adam was a Germ and Eve was an Ant. Later "t" disappeared somewhere.

 

[Hygro]

The Old Testament is a series of stories about why you should not worship God. There is no other logical explanation.

It's a governing/war manual that might not have been particularly religious in the modern sense. Or maybe it was, also. But either way it seems the original meaning of what is now translated to be the devil was just referring to a general "the enemy". Highly effective book. Made more effective when the barriers to entry became "anyone who submits to believing in this system completely".

And how better to disguise your book to your Satan enemies than to base it on a blasphemous pantheon ruled by a terribly unattractive God. They won't be bothered to learn your overarching recommended strategy of total annihilation of enemies, morally disowning the kids born to your rapes during the occupation of your enemies so as not to the enemy you must obliterate while accepting and regrouping your own in times of defeat (matriarchal heritage) and using the most up to date weaponry in the face of more impressive looking gear.

Meanwhile you affirm the in-group by creating pride in communal faith and arbitrary differences (we don't eat x and we chop our willies a wee bit)

But mostly the religious wording seems to me to be less a product of intent and more a product of how people understood and communicated what we'd consider non-religious ideas.

Jesus wasn't right because he was the son of God with a groovy message, he was right in that an open-to-the-masses Judaism would take over Rome.

(If Jesus was also the son of God and if his message was actually groovy to modern groovy people, that would be incidental.)

 

[Roller123]

Slave - a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.

Genesis 1:28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.

Not seeing the relation here. Adam could do whatever the hell he wanted. With foreseeable results. (He screwed up)

 

[Angst]

Roller123, are you claiming that God does not exist within Judaism?

Exactly how does Adam rule God?

How was his screwup not half emancipation from fully being God's property?

 

[civver_764]

Adam is God (ie you, the universe, All That Is) in a state of bliss, before becoming attached to the material world via eating the apple. The rules of Judaism are an attempt to bring us back to that state of bliss.

At least that's how I like to interpret it.

 

[Lone Wolf]

everyone is jesus in purgatory

 

[Lillefix]

Not seeing the relation here. Adam could do whatever the hell he wanted. With foreseeable results. (He screwed up)

A slave can also do "whatever the hell" he wants. "With foreseeable results".

 

[Borachio]

Adam is God (ie you, the universe, All That Is) in a state of bliss, before becoming attached to the material world via eating the apple. The rules of Judaism are an attempt to bring us back to that state of bliss.

At least that's how I like to interpret it.

I think you're right. Or very close to it.

Ignorance is bliss, though, they say. So the price of knowledge is unhappiness. Perhaps.

 

[civver_764]

I think you're right. Or very close to it.

Ignorance is bliss, though, they say. So the price of knowledge is unhappiness. Perhaps.

I do believe, at least theretically, that there exists a state of understanding that leads to no unhappiness(what the Buddhists call "nirvana"). The ability to reason does tend to lead us astray though.

 

[Winner]

I've been Domenized, I read the title as "Was Adam a Slav"

You know the old joke:

"What nationality were Adam and Eve?"
"Nobody knows, but they must have been Russian. They had no clothes, no roof over their head and they only ate apples, but they insisted they were living in Paradise."