I see you edited my post when you quoted it...nice. The fact remains that people like this armed mob and you are not patriots. You are violent reactionaries who want to destroy our society so you can live in your juvenile fantasy of a lawless nation that permits you to do whatever you want to whomever you want without consequence. I personally put people like you in the same category as groups like Al'Qaeda and the Taliban; selfish, deluded people who want to destroy everything that is good about modern civilization.
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I see you edited my post when you quoted it...nice. The fact remains that people like this armed mob and you are not patriots. You are violent reactionaries who want to destroy our society so you can live in your juvenile fantasy of a lawless nation that permits you to do whatever you want to whomever you want without consequence. I personally put people like you in the same category as groups like Al'Qaeda and the Taliban; selfish, deluded people who want to destroy everything that is good about modern civilization.
You seem to enjoy your guaranteed freedom of speech. Without a central authority that no longer is guaranteed. Same with rule of law and all those other liberties you can now enjoy freely.
Farm Boy
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Not sure "seed corn" will ring home here. Age old age old issue. Farmers, while having an independent streak, still invest everything by ploughing it into the ground and hoping something comes up half a year later. The investments on labor can pay off decades or a generation down the line. Isolation makes one vulnerable. A few bad apples can damage everyone through improper pest management, poisoned well water, disease, soil erosion. Farmers like stability and communal action to create that stability.
Cattlemen? Self-centered, anarchic, and violent short term profiteers by comparison. And they still need to worry about water rights and wait for cows to grow, and the food they use to grow too. What do you think urban capitalists look like by comparison to them?
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Including a condemnation of "fascist leaders" comes across as a bit tokenistic when your post reads pretty strongly as fascist propaganda. Because, let's make no bones about it, that's what this is, and that's what you are. But a little self-awareness would be nice.
Core Imposter
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What I am hearing here is Tory sentiment. The hand of King George laid not nearly so heavily upon the colonies as the Fed jackboot presses upon the public head today, and yet ....
How can you be blamed? Central governments have given us stagnant economies and massive debts with unemployment and the lack of even hope of upward mobility. The King's men reap almost all the wealth as our government gives the peasants generous handouts of welfare and food stamps.
And thankfully, the oppression of faith in God and family are reduced to most tolerable levels.
God save the King. Pass the drugs.
How can you be blamed? Central governments have given us stagnant economies and massive debts with unemployment and the lack of even hope of upward mobility. The King's men reap almost all the wealth as our government gives the peasants generous handouts of welfare and food stamps.
And thankfully, the oppression of faith in God and family are reduced to most tolerable levels.
God save the King. Pass the drugs.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
Is this thread a joke or a grade 6 social studies project of some sort?
So are you going to actually address the points raised against your argument or are you just going to keep spouting your rhetoric? I would like to know so I can stop wasting my time trying to debate with you if you aren't going to actually participate in the discussion.
Also, about your little statement about upward mobility being impossible: not true. My evidence? My own life. I have had my ups and downs, and there were a few times when I almost lost everything, but for the past 2 years or so things have only gotten better for me and I have gone from lower middle class to a solid upper middle class standard of living. Once my business takes off, my situation should get even better. Oh and those bankers you bemoan as actively trying to keep the people down? Yeah, they didn't seem to have any problem loaning me the money to get my business started despite the fact that on paper I was not a very favorable risk.
Social mobility is something that is your responsibility, not the government's or the banks'. I'll tell you something that one of my Lieutenants in the Army told me: Nobody in this world will ever care about your life and your problems more than yourself. So if you want a better life, you need to get out there and make it happen. Will people stand in your way and try to stop you? Sure they will. But that's when you have to buckle down and fight for what you want. Now when I say fight, I don't mean go grab your daddy's shotgun; I mean identify what needs to be done to achieve your goal and get out there and do it. No excuses, no blaming others for your failures, and no feeling sorry for yourself when you get knocked down a few times. Just get it done and stop blaming the government and the banks for all the troubles in your life.
Evie
Pronounced like Eevee
If upward mobility is impossible because of the feds, why do country with a much more interventionist government constantly show higher social mobility than the US of A?
Oh, right, because might-make-right and pick-yourself-by-your-own-bootstrap isn't actually a working social model
Oh, right, because might-make-right and pick-yourself-by-your-own-bootstrap isn't actually a working social model
Farm Boy
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It doesn't work because we're coupling safety nets for the wealthy with refusal to knock them down between generations. The more you have, the harder the government coddles you. Them guys with bootstraps might not starve, and that's a huge step forward, but climbing over the heap of government subsidized suburban-pseudorich and the truly-rich is getting to be pretty daunting. They're coated in lard. The pile is slippery and treacherous.
It's true. Denmark has a much higher tax burden on both companies and individuals, but totally funds health care and university education for everyone. If you're born in the lowest income quintile your chances of rising to the upper quintile are an order (or 2!) of magnitude greater than in the US.
And, just as important, your chances of *falling* as you age are lower. In the US we have a very permissive safety net. If you're not strong enough to grab it on your way down, you'll fall right to the bottom.
Land of the free!
EDIT:
Here's a site that has an interactive and useful way for comparing the US to different nations:
http://www.verisi.com/resources/prosperity-upward-mobility.htm
And, just as important, your chances of *falling* as you age are lower. In the US we have a very permissive safety net. If you're not strong enough to grab it on your way down, you'll fall right to the bottom.
Land of the free!
EDIT:
Here's a site that has an interactive and useful way for comparing the US to different nations:
http://www.verisi.com/resources/prosperity-upward-mobility.htm
KMRblue1027
Deity
Core Imposter is a parody account. I'm assuming JR got bored again, or maybe Cutlass.
Was that directed at me or Core Imposter?
Nah, I could never pull it off. Whoever used to do MisterCooper is a likely candidate.
Farm Boy
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Wait. You weren't?
I can't stay in character that well.
*I'm* VR's PR wing!
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
The letters in his name say he's a double login and would be best banned immediately.
I'll give a hint: an A gram.
useless
Social Justice Rogue
He arises from the ashes to attack us yet again