What 10 Civilizations will be in Beyond the Sword?

[LDeska]

I think that we will have not "the most important" civs, only the civs which are needed by scenarios included in this add-on. I'm also quite pessimistic if there will be Poland, but as our Golden Age occurred exactly in the period 'Beyond the Sword' so, maybe we will be finally in.

My list of civ:
Portugal
Dutch
Native North-Americans (I think it will be one general civ like Vikings)
Babylon (great choice!)
Poland
Austria or Austria-Hungary (rather Austria )
Some south-Asian like Khmer, Siam
Some African like Ethiopia
One one native American, I'm afraid, from Central or South America
one is still missing - maybe Hittites?

 

[Tomek]

I I'm also quite pessimistic if there will be Poland, but as our Golden Age occurred exactly in the period 'Beyond the Sword' so, maybe we will be finally in.

And if Poland so who will be the leader? Johannes III Sobieski?
Casimir the Great?

My list of civs:
Babylon
Poland
Native Americans
Portugal
Nederlands
Maya
Vietnameese
Some Polynesian nation
Italy
Ethiopia

If it is Beyond the sword then it should be more significant civ from modern times less from ancien times.

 

[Harald500]

There should be an additional nordic civ, and the natural choice perhaps would be Finland. (The winter war with Soviet Union etc.), but also etnic civs like the Sames could be represented. They still live all over the northern part of north Europe. Sweden, Norway and Finland.

How about eskimos from North America and Greenland?

Other than that I would like to see Cuba (Castro) and South Africa with mr. Mandela. (Did some VIP protection for him on his visit in Norway, so it would be cool to play him)

Maybe Zimbabwe and mr Mugabe - Be a blast to kick his butt.....

 

[Tomek]

There should be an additional nordic civ, and the natural choice perhaps would be Finland. (The winter war with Soviet Union etc.), but also etnic civs like the Sames could be represented. They still live all over the northern part of north Europe. Sweden, Norway and Finland.

IMO sweden played much more important role in Europe history than Finland.
Anyway all nordic nations are represented by Vikings

 

[Leif Roar]

No comment on the likelihood, but I'd like to see either the Minoan or Phoenician civilization represented (and it would be nice to have a second sea-themed civilization), and also the Olmec or the Vandals.

 

[LAnkou]

Mines are:

Portugal: Henry the navigator IMP/EXP (because he really launch the colonisation movement)
Netherland: Guillaume of Orange FIN/CRE (won't be much discussion i think)
Babylone: Hammurabi IMP/PHI
Amerindians: Sitting Bull PRO/PHI (i know amerindians are different tribes, nation and all, but like the celts, they are a common "civ" to me)
Mayas: Smoke-jaguar (AGG/CHA)
Ethiopians/abbyssinians: Queen Sabah? (FIN/ORG)
Khmers: the one with the complicated name CRE/PRO (i know, enough extreme asian protective leaders, but hey "never fight a land war in asia")
Austria: Sissi or Byzantines: doesn't remember her name(need a girl) Cre/Exp

France: Charles de Gaulle IND/CHA
America: Abe CHA/PHI
Arabs: Abou bakr SPI/IMP (but any great "muslim conquerer" could fit)
Grece: Pericles CRE/PHI (i think no one will complain that these two traits fits this leader)
Japan: Meiji IND /IMP(i think there will be no complaints there too)
Persia: Abbas I the great AGG/ORG (this one will be debated i think, but persia isn't only 300!!...)

That leaves two others civ.
possible: Brazil and polynesians, but i don't really believe it.
If there is Brazil, i imagine the UB
Football Stadium (replaces colosseum):idem colosseum +2 happy faces. Create each turn a great footballer (unique names: Pelé, Garincha, Romario, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho...).

 

[snipperrabbit!!]

Ronaldinho isn't great, he is just talented.

 

[ChrTh]

I just want to say one thing, THE VATICAN! Where on this earth do people figure the Vatican classifies as a civilization. It is a single city-state-church and sits as the sole headquarters of a major religion only. A civilization it is not. Be more realistic.

It is now, but not then.

And right now the Vikings (among other groups in the game) sit nowhere, should they not be included? The Papal States were an important part of European history. Granted, not as important as some other states that are not included. But to dismiss the Vatican as a just a single city demonstrates a lack of understanding of European history.

EDIT: The following is quoted from Wiki
"At its greatest extent, in the 18th century, the Papal States included most of Central Italy — Latium, Umbria, Marche and the Legations of Ravenna, Ferrara and Bologna extending north into the Romagna. It also included the small enclaves of Benevento and Pontecorvo in southern Italy and the larger Comtat Venaissin around Avignon in southern France."

 

[Onagan]

Netherland: Guillaume of Orange FIN/CRE (won't be much discussion i think)

A lot of discusion, i don't know any Guillaume? And i'm dutch.

I think that Charlemagne would be leader of the Germans.

 

[ChrTh]

A lot of discusion, i don't know any Guillaume? And i'm dutch.

Guillaume is French for William.

 

[Vynd]

Why do you think that? [civs from previous versions will be featured] It's certainly not a "just" situation, as several are already confirmed and most are already in Civ4. Previously-used civs don't fill all the slots, either. Surely the civilizations that were great enough to include in the 1990s are still great enough to include now?

I agree that all of the civs they've used in previous games are strong contenders. Some of them will certainly be in, and maybe it will turn out that they use all of them. But my gut feeling is that they'll want to include lots of new and different civs as well, because people will find that more exciting.

Besides, who wants to make a list of predictions and use only the safest choices?

I find myself very fond of the idea of a Polynesian civ. They could have a UU Trireme replacement that can navigate across Oceans. Or maybe a Caravel replacement that can carry 1 unit of any type instead of just scouts/missionaries/spies.

 

[Vietcong]

What we know for sure:

Netherlands
Portugal
Sioux
Babylon

Crossing my fingers for Canada, Vatican, and maybe Australia?

*rolls eyes* not this canada crap agin... whats canada ever done??
thear uu can be the mounty, and ub a maple surpe factory.

 

[The Almighty dF]

Or the Canadian Tower.
Which can secretly launch all the nukes in the world! >=D
...And of course nobody watches Canadian Bacon.

As I've seen someone mention, making a USSR civ and moving Stalin to that would be neat. Their starting techs could be Agriculture and Mining (y'know, hammer and sickle? Production and agriculture, man.)

Vietnam could be interesting. Honestly, I wish they had added Vietnam instead of Korea. Come on.

I'd -love- to see some early civilization thing. Like a scenario. Sumeria, early China, etc.

 

[Julian Delphiki]

There should be an additional nordic civ, and the natural choice perhaps would be Finland. (The winter war with Soviet Union etc.), but also etnic civs like the Sames could be represented. They still live all over the northern part of north Europe. Sweden, Norway and Finland.

Haha, thats a funny one even if i'm Finn myself . It would be wierd, but thanks for the support. Imho Firaxis should add more relevant civs.

IMO sweden played much more important role in Europe history than Finland.
Anyway all nordic nations are represented by Vikings

I agree, Finland was part (possession) of Sweden for a long time. Harald500 has valid point about winter war - if we would actually have been invaded by Russia at the time it might have had big impact on 2nd world war. Instead we just got devastatated and 10% our land and lots of industrial capacity was stolen.

Vikings kind of semirepresent us too, but not that much.

 

[mitsho]

And if Poland so who will be the leader? Johannes III Sobieski?
Casimir the Great?

I would hope for Taddeusz Kosciusko, we already have enough kings... and he actually deserves the place. Otherwise, I would suppose Sobieski, he suits most into a "Turks vs. Europe"-scenario...

mick

 

[Corporal P]

I don't understand. Why do they need permission to make a Siamese LH? This is America, we don't need the permission of a foreign power to do anything!

Okay, I'm kidding, but you get my point. What are they going to do if Firaxis goes ahead and does it? Boycott Civ? Oh, yeah, that'll hurt 'em big time...

I know exactly what you mean and I truely respect your belief in free speech. But, you know how it is with politicians. "Diplomatic issue".

Anyway, I'd love to see Siam in this expansion pack along with other great CIVs. It will bring more variety into the game.

 

[Lance of Llanwy]

I think people are once again confusing countries with civilizations - both Timurids and Seleucids were you can say stadial forms of the already existent civilizations - Mongols and Persians.

Since the game lets you rule a given civilization from ancient times until the modern era, you need to understand that no single civilization lasted that long and you need to allow for a broader picture, rather than focusing on a single state/dynasty. If we allow for separate Seleucids and Persians, we should just as well have Stalin and Peter rule different civilizations.

The Seleukids were a Greek successor state, not a Persian state. Just a little nitpick. And I agree....people seem to think country=civilization. Which it absolutely doesn't...

 

[LDeska]

Firaxis did it on purpose mentioned just few civs to make us beg for more information

@mitsho - he's name is Tadeusz Kościuszko (read Taddheush Kosh-t'ushko), he might be the one as he also fought for USA and was even a general of USA army, so Firaxis' employees should know him. In Poland he was a leader of anti-Russian uprising. However we prefer our kings: John III Sobieski, Kazimierz Wielki (Casimir The Great), Władysław Jagiełło as they ruled Polnd in better times.
Polish husaria and John III Sobieski fit into Europe vs Turks scenario, but I'm not too optimistic about it. I think that Firaxis will add 'civilizations' like native tribes of Oceania, Americas etc to keep BtS "culturally diversified"

I'm still hoping to see Poland in BtS

 

[Pratputajao]

I wish that Siam could make it to one of the ten CIVs, but in reality it is unlikely for many reasons.

-Between Khmer and Siam, the first was older considering the timeline moreover Khmer culture was more influential during its hight. Unless, Firaxis emphasizes the modern day timeline which Siam or Thailand as we know today has more influence in the region than Khmer or Cambodia today. And the fact that Siam throughout its history survived the onslaught of western colonization might prove that it was one of the major players in SE Asia, which could contribute to its place in the game among the other 10 CIVs.

-In order to make the leaderhead of Siam, Firaxis would have to ask for permission from the goverment of Thailand who acts on behalf of the king which unlikely that they would be given the permission. And besides, Firaxis wouldn't go that length just to add one CIV to the game.

Therefore, it is unlikely to see Siam in the game.

Your last point hit me right in the face... you are correct good sir. Thailand is VERY serious about the Kings (any of them) image and representation. This is the BIG reason thjat Siam will not be in...man that hurts, they REALLY deserve it. So Khmer and/or possibly Vietnam will be the Asian contributors. Well those are good too... Siam is just so special to almost everyone who has been there and knows the history....sigh...

Heres to hoping that Firaxis didnt know that the Thai Gov. would flip if they represent a Thai King in their game!

 

[Hero]

Too late for Portugal and Netherlands, but I vote for no more European civs. Please stop arguing how historically important your various nations have been. The only reason minor European civs are being added is that there are enough gamers there with enough money to buy the expansion. I vote for some global diversity, and no old-timey civs like Hittites or Phoenicians.