Gaius Octavius
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Yikes! Isn't Justinian a much better choice?
What 10 Civilizations will be in Beyond the Sword?
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GoodSarmatian
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Basileus wasn't actually that bad (for his own people), but I think Theodosius I and Herakleos ( a good candidate for the awkward sounding Protective/Imperialistic combo) would be a good choice.
The Uyghurs will be in CIV Gold 4.0. Sorry, don't mean to plug here, but you're the first person I've come across who knows of them, let alone wants them in the game.
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Glad to hear it! I'll be the first to download.The Uyghurs will be in CIV Gold 4.0. Sorry, don't mean to plug here, but you're the first person I've come across who knows of them, let alone wants them in the game.
SwordofStriker
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I am hoping to see the ancient Minoans added to a Civ game one day. Many archaeologists and historians have come to the conclusion that the Minoan civilization is the civilization that the stories of Atlantis describe.
Were it not for a volcanic eruption 100 times as powerful as Krakatoa, the Minoan civilization most likely would have influenced western civilization much like the Greeks have. As a matter of fact, it was this same volcanic eruption that gave the Greeks the chance to invade and destroy what little remained of the minoans.
I think the Minoans deserve another shot in Civilization.
Also, in regards to a previous post, lots of people know about the Uyghurs. I have read books with them included, seen movies that mentioned them, and even seen them included in popular strategy/war games on the NES (ever play Ghenghis Khan?).
Were it not for a volcanic eruption 100 times as powerful as Krakatoa, the Minoan civilization most likely would have influenced western civilization much like the Greeks have. As a matter of fact, it was this same volcanic eruption that gave the Greeks the chance to invade and destroy what little remained of the minoans.
I think the Minoans deserve another shot in Civilization.
Also, in regards to a previous post, lots of people know about the Uyghurs. I have read books with them included, seen movies that mentioned them, and even seen them included in popular strategy/war games on the NES (ever play Ghenghis Khan?).
LucyDuke
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Why do you think that? It's certainly not a "just" situation, as several are already confirmed and most are already in Civ4. Previously-used civs don't fill all the slots, either. Surely the civilizations that were great enough to include in the 1990s are still great enough to include now?
Polynesia - Too broad, it's like making a single Native American civilization, or a single European one.
Brazil - A very modern nation, but actually may be a pretty good pick for a modern latin american civ, 5th biggest country in the world and a cultural powerhouse. UU/UB may be hard to pick though.
Timmurids/Selucids - it's a civ, and was a rival of the Ottomans, but IMO there are better choices. They could just as easily be classified under Persians if we have Alexander as a Greek leader and Catherine as a Russian leader
Minoans - We don't know enough about them, their leaders, military units, all that really remains is buildings.
Brazil - A very modern nation, but actually may be a pretty good pick for a modern latin american civ, 5th biggest country in the world and a cultural powerhouse. UU/UB may be hard to pick though.
Timmurids/Selucids - it's a civ, and was a rival of the Ottomans, but IMO there are better choices. They could just as easily be classified under Persians if we have Alexander as a Greek leader and Catherine as a Russian leader
Minoans - We don't know enough about them, their leaders, military units, all that really remains is buildings.
Corvex
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Babylon
Netherlands
Portugal
Sioux
Hopefully there will also be:
-Maya (they should have been in vanilla, frankly)
-Ethiopia (probably too much to ask, especially considering that the Zulus and the Mali are already in the game; not that either of these civs have anything to do with Ethiopia, but hey)
-Iroquois (once again; probably too much to hope if the Sioux are already in the game)
-Poland (it would be nice to have an Eastern European civ besides Russia)
-Byzantium (probably not everyone's first choice, but I enjoyed it in Civ III)
-Siam (Southeast Asia has always been underrepresented)
(I would of course love for Canada to be included, but have pretty much reconciled myself to the fact that that's not going to happen. Then again, I suppose that that is what mods are for)
Netherlands
Portugal
Sioux
Hopefully there will also be:
-Maya (they should have been in vanilla, frankly)
-Ethiopia (probably too much to ask, especially considering that the Zulus and the Mali are already in the game; not that either of these civs have anything to do with Ethiopia, but hey)
-Iroquois (once again; probably too much to hope if the Sioux are already in the game)
-Poland (it would be nice to have an Eastern European civ besides Russia)
-Byzantium (probably not everyone's first choice, but I enjoyed it in Civ III)
-Siam (Southeast Asia has always been underrepresented)
(I would of course love for Canada to be included, but have pretty much reconciled myself to the fact that that's not going to happen. Then again, I suppose that that is what mods are for)
Junglecutter
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Civ needs more Asian civs...Malay perhaps? Siam would be hard to put in the game
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Hmmm...the new civs?
1)Dutch
2)Portugese
3)Lakota/Sioux/Pan-Native American civ
4)Babylon
5)Polynesia-Interesting civ, to be sure.
6)Mayans- A MUST, IMO.
7)Poland- Good medieval power, and allows the Slavs more representation.
8)Ethiopia- The best of the remaining African civs.
9)Khmer- WE NEED MORE ASIANS!!!! And they're really impressive anyways...
10)Vietnam- See above. Ho Chih Minh. Long history of warring with China, distinct culture, fairly influentail.
Honorable Mention: Iroquois.
Byzantines- Questionable, IMO...what truly distinguishes them from Greece and Rome to say they were a distinct civilization?
Austria- Not distinct enough from Germany, IMO.
HRE- See above. In fact, for most of its history, it WAS German.
Vatican- Are you kidding?
New leaders
America- Abe
Spain- Philip II
Arabs- Some one. I dunno...foggy on their history.
Persians- Darius the Great. Or a Sassie...on second that, getting Sassinad Persia some love sounds best...
Greece- Pericles. Because Greece needs some sort of cultural/builder side.
Aztecs- Ahuizotl. Or Tecumseh if the Native American civ is a blanket one...
1)Dutch
2)Portugese
3)Lakota/Sioux/Pan-Native American civ
4)Babylon
5)Polynesia-Interesting civ, to be sure.
6)Mayans- A MUST, IMO.
7)Poland- Good medieval power, and allows the Slavs more representation.
8)Ethiopia- The best of the remaining African civs.
9)Khmer- WE NEED MORE ASIANS!!!! And they're really impressive anyways...
10)Vietnam- See above. Ho Chih Minh. Long history of warring with China, distinct culture, fairly influentail.
Honorable Mention: Iroquois.
Byzantines- Questionable, IMO...what truly distinguishes them from Greece and Rome to say they were a distinct civilization?
Austria- Not distinct enough from Germany, IMO.
HRE- See above. In fact, for most of its history, it WAS German.
Vatican- Are you kidding?
New leaders
America- Abe
Spain- Philip II
Arabs- Some one. I dunno...foggy on their history.
Persians- Darius the Great. Or a Sassie...on second that, getting Sassinad Persia some love sounds best...
Greece- Pericles. Because Greece needs some sort of cultural/builder side.
Aztecs- Ahuizotl. Or Tecumseh if the Native American civ is a blanket one...
1 - 4 we already know...
5. Mayan
6. A South East Asian civilisation, Khmer is best bet.
7. Maybe another Asian civ.
8. Byzantines is a good bet (though they're not a civilisation in its own right imo. Merely a continuation of the Greek/Roman Empire)
9. Hittites
10. Sumeria
5. Mayan
6. A South East Asian civilisation, Khmer is best bet.
7. Maybe another Asian civ.
8. Byzantines is a good bet (though they're not a civilisation in its own right imo. Merely a continuation of the Greek/Roman Empire)
9. Hittites
10. Sumeria
WrathRaptor
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I just want to say one thing, THE VATICAN! Where on this earth do people figure the Vatican classifies as a civilization. It is a single city-state-church and sits as the sole headquarters of a major religion only. A civilization it is not. Be more realistic. 
Personally I'm putting my vote on a Hebrew civ, although I'll pay respect to the idea that it isn't highly likely. Babylonians for sure are apart of the expansion pack and I definitely believe there will be another asian civ added as well. As for others I'm not too sure.
Personally I'm putting my vote on a Hebrew civ, although I'll pay respect to the idea that it isn't highly likely. Babylonians for sure are apart of the expansion pack and I definitely believe there will be another asian civ added as well. As for others I'm not too sure.
PW90
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I think the new civs and their leaders will be:
Babylon - Hammurabi
Netherlands - Willem van Oranje
Portugal - Henrique the Navigator
Sioux - Sitting Bull
Iroquoise - Hiawatha
Maya - Pacal the Great
Abbysinians - Menelik
Khmer - Jayavarman
Austria - Franz I.
Poland - Jan Sobieski
I think the last two would be a good addition, mainly for a scenario of europe in the 17th/18th Century, when gunpowder comes up
Babylon - Hammurabi
Netherlands - Willem van Oranje
Portugal - Henrique the Navigator
Sioux - Sitting Bull
Iroquoise - Hiawatha
Maya - Pacal the Great
Abbysinians - Menelik
Khmer - Jayavarman
Austria - Franz I.
Poland - Jan Sobieski
I think the last two would be a good addition, mainly for a scenario of europe in the 17th/18th Century, when gunpowder comes up
It makes sense to have it that way - as "Sitting Bull of the Native Americans" as then other native american leaders from other tribes can be added in by modders. Having the Sioux or Iraquois 'empires' would restrict them to having to create another empire for another native american leader. The question would then be: what would the UU and UB then be for all the native american tribes?
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Martinus
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I think people are once again confusing countries with civilizations - both Timurids and Seleucids were you can say stadial forms of the already existent civilizations - Mongols and Persians.
Since the game lets you rule a given civilization from ancient times until the modern era, you need to understand that no single civilization lasted that long and you need to allow for a broader picture, rather than focusing on a single state/dynasty. If we allow for separate Seleucids and Persians, we should just as well have Stalin and Peter rule different civilizations.
Since the game lets you rule a given civilization from ancient times until the modern era, you need to understand that no single civilization lasted that long and you need to allow for a broader picture, rather than focusing on a single state/dynasty. If we allow for separate Seleucids and Persians, we should just as well have Stalin and Peter rule different civilizations.
Azazell
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POLAND or Netherlands
Martinus
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Since I like to play on huge world maps, I'd like to see more civilizations in the areas that are currently under-represented.
A Northern American native civilization is a good idea, so are the Mayans. I would also like to see at least one sub-Saharan civilization (Ethiopians/Abbysinians sound like a good idea, both because they aren't completely unknown, and their starting area is presently not covered by another civ).
For East Asia, Khmer, Vietnam, Burma or Thailand all sound like good choices. Some Polynesian/Philppine civilization would be nice to have too.
On the other hand, since the expansion is called "Beyond the Sword", I suppose most civilizations will be the ones that raised to prominence during the gunpowder era and beyond (that's why there are the Portuguese and the Dutch there), so I suppose we will see at least one more European civ.
A Northern American native civilization is a good idea, so are the Mayans. I would also like to see at least one sub-Saharan civilization (Ethiopians/Abbysinians sound like a good idea, both because they aren't completely unknown, and their starting area is presently not covered by another civ).
For East Asia, Khmer, Vietnam, Burma or Thailand all sound like good choices. Some Polynesian/Philppine civilization would be nice to have too.
On the other hand, since the expansion is called "Beyond the Sword", I suppose most civilizations will be the ones that raised to prominence during the gunpowder era and beyond (that's why there are the Portuguese and the Dutch there), so I suppose we will see at least one more European civ.
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