What after the New Frontier Pass - the end or more

[Gradac]

hmm.. for the leaders, not included in Civ6 so far it is much longer list. I found only few that by my modest knowledge can lead other civilization instead of one that they lead in previous civs, and that their civ is not in civ6: Stalin and Lenin could lead Soviet Union instead of Russia, Boadicea maybe Wels instead Celts and Sitting Bull Sioux (not sure of this)

 

[Leucarum]

Sioux

Vikings

Holy Roman Empire

Carthaginian

Portuguese

Iroquois

Native American

Swedish

Assyrian

Songhai

Danish

Polynesian

Austrian

Shoshone

Siamese

Venetian

Hunnic

Morocco

So taking out of that list civs which are problematic or exist in another form we'd be left with:

Portuguese
Iroquois
Assyrian
Songhai
Danish
Austrian
Shoshone
Siamese
Venetian
Hunnic
Morocco

Polynesia is probably too blobby but there could be maybe another polynesian group other than Maori?

Those aren't hugely rich pickings... Probably Portugal and Iroquois would be the biggest sellers?

And I'm not saying I wouldn't want to see them. I love playing smaller, less well known civs over the big names most of the time - I'm just wondering what civs could drive the marketing of another pack.

 

[Gradac]

I went trough some civilization and leaders from Call to Power (which was for those not familiar kind a offshoot of Sid Meyer's Civilization for a while) and found out interesting leaders and civilizations that some latter civs actually used it.

One is specially interesting: Barbarians lead by Attila

This might actually be the last leader in NFP? (but that's for another thread)

others:
Cuban, Hebrew, Mexican, Nicaraguan, Nigerian, Thai, Welsh...

They introduced Assyrian, Polynesian and Indonesian before any "official" Civ game. So in this list might be some future new civilization for dlc in 6 or for 7.

Also, if they count Civilization 4: Colonization there is few more civs and leaders that could count as old:
Mangas Coloradas of Apache, Agueybana of Arawak, Oconostota of Cherokees, Cunhanbebe of Tupi, Simon Bolivar was already there, Samuel de Champlain etc. (btw: I liked civ4col a lot)

Conclusion: there is more option, more.. give us more

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Carthaginians.

They're in the game already as Phoenicians.

So taking out of that list civs which are problematic or exist in another form we'd be left with:

Portuguese
Iroquois
Assyrian
Songhai
Danish
Austrian
Shoshone
Siamese
Venetian
Hunnic
Morocco

Polynesia is probably too blobby but there could be maybe another polynesian group other than Maori?

Those aren't hugely rich pickings... Probably Portugal and Iroquois would be the biggest sellers?

And I'm not saying I wouldn't want to see them. I love playing smaller, less well known civs over the big names most of the time - I'm just wondering what civs could drive the marketing of another pack.

I'd figure it is probably even a narrower list of recurring ones that they would choose from:
Songhai's niche is filled by Mali, which also kind of fills Morocco's niche as a desert/trading civ.
Denmark's niche is filled by both Norway/Sweden (if they decided to design it non-Viking).
Assyria's niche is filled by Sumeria/Babylon, though in my mind they could coexist.
Austria's niche is filled by Hungary/Germany (HRE).
Huns niche is filled by Scythia.
Venice and Siam are now represented by a city-state in NFP and Morocco in GS.
Shoshone was a one off probably.

So that really does leave only the Iroquois and Portugal as the only possible recurring civ to show up right now. That being said they could go for Berbers over Morocco, which would be preferable to me, and give us an Egyptian leader in the process too.

I wouldn't expect 8 more civs to show up anyway but a combination of what I said above to me would be the next best thing they could do in addition to something Italian.

 

[Birch617]

I think this will be it, but personally, I’m really hoping for one more season pass, or one more expansion! Africa and North America really could do with just a little more love!

The NFP, given It's paced lenghty release, choose and mix features and reuse of leader animations honestly feels like something a reduced dev group would produce, I'm of the idea they are already working in civ7, but could very well mantain this rythm and produce another pass to focus on civs, alt leaders/personas, and polishing and deepening what they've already added.

I agree, if Portugal is the last one, well we could expect a few last patches before they move on.

Also you need to understand that the pandemic does affects production for animation and they only reuse idle animation and some minor ones, while introductions,agendas,declarations and defeated have their own unique ones, still who knows if this is the last of Civ 6

 

[Shadowstrike]

I feel like there's definitely room for more civilizations, especially if we get into ones that were historically relevant, but haven't always been in the game. The ones I would like to see (in no particular order) are Myanmar, Thailand, the Shona, the Swahili, the Akan/Ashante, the Yoruba, the Hausa, the Assyrians, the Hittites, the Indus River civilization, Portugal, renaissance/modern Italy, and representative civilizations for North America (maybe one each from the northeast, northwest, southeast and southwest; I would go with Iroquois, Cherokee, the ancestral Puebloans, and pick a group from the Pacific Northwest). But I think if you want to go beyond that, there's still definitely a ton of options in every part of the world...

 

[Birch617]

Assyria's niche is filled by Sumeria/Babylon, though in my mind they could coexist.
Austria's niche is filled by Hungary/Germany (HRE).
Huns niche is filled by Scythia.
Venice and Siam are now represented by a city-state in NFP and Morocco in GS.

I personally wouldn't mind two civs that share a similar niche as long as they make unique gameplays that difference the two, even if they go for similar route of gameplay.

 

[sonicmyst]

If there is more after NFP, I do hope they consider:

Iroquois
Argentina
Portugal
Italy
Morocco
Siam
Philippines or Malaysia
And an alt leader for Egypt or America.

 

[Anno]

I didn’t even expect this, so it’s hard to guess. If they make another one I’ll happily buy it, though.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I personally wouldn't mind two civs that share a similar niche as long as they make unique gameplays that difference the two, even if they go for similar route of gameplay.

Don't get me wrong I would love most of these civs as well. I just don't expect it. Though I can live without the Huns.

The honest reason I think why Portugal is one of the last civs that always comes is because of it's similar niche to England, Spain and the Dutch as well. Barring England because it will always be in the base game, Spain and the Dutch seem to be more popular choices to begin with.

Of course that doesn't mean they can't make a unique gameplay to differentiate them either. I have a feeling they will exceed many people's expectations when it happens.

 

[Birch617]

Don't get me wrong I would love most of these civs as well. I just don't expect it. Though I can live without the Huns.

Yeah i get what you said, still i hope if they continue and that they find a balance of adding new civs, old civs and civs that culturally/niche-wise similar to ones already in the game

 

[Gradac]

So taking out of that list civs which are problematic or exist in another form we'd be left with:

Portuguese
Iroquois
Assyrian
Songhai
Danish
Austrian
Shoshone
Siamese
Venetian
Hunnic
Morocco

Polynesia is probably too blobby but there could be maybe another polynesian group other than Maori?

Those aren't hugely rich pickings... Probably Portugal and Iroquois would be the biggest sellers?

And I'm not saying I wouldn't want to see them. I love playing smaller, less well known civs over the big names most of the time - I'm just wondering what civs could drive the marketing of another pack.

Apology to all, I forgot HITTITES on the list. One of my three favorites of Civ3

maybe something else missing, but your point stands.

I hope the group that delivered to us most of NFP dlcs will continue doing so until at least the end of this calendar year. And I hope they will announce something like that maybe in march already. The second best, to me, would be spinoffs like Civilization VI / Colonization or something like Crusader's Time in medieval middle east or Alfa Century / Beyond Earth.

 

[Caprikel]

After the NFP I would just want a few updates to clean up any remaining issues, such as balance issues such as nerfing chopping into oblivion, or fleshing out some existing systems a bit. Of course I'd also watch them to release the full code for modding purposes. Otherwise I don't think it's really worth adding anymore dlc.
At this point there are so many different gameplay styles represented by the current civs, that adding more would just end up heavily overlapping with existing civs more and more. We already had Byzantium added as a civ that does Spain's niche of religion/domination much better, so it would only continue with more civs just being better versions of existing civs. I would rather they just update older civs at that point then add new ones.

 

[Buktu]

Maybe Prussia, although an alt for HRE might be better.

You could go for Bismarck as prussian leader and give him to Germany as an alt as well. I mean he started his political career in Prussia and then had a great part in the unification of Germany followed by nearly 20 years as chancellor.

Add in Maria Theresa for Germany and Hungary instead of Bismarck and I'm sold.

Maria Theresa would imo be a better fit for a new civ - Austria. And ofc as alt for Hungary.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

There will be always a room for new civilizations esspecially here in this forum no matter how many Civs we would have in a game. More important question is how many new assimetric civ mechanics we are able to add to keep those civs fun and entertaining and not just another one with boring +1 here +2 there.
PS. Songhai and Venice are niches covered by other Civs or CS but we consider Prussia and HRE which are actually... Germany. Sorry, I don't keep up with this logic

 

[Phoenix1595]

I’m of the opinion that NFP will mark the end of significant game development for Civ6. The game modes they’ve added are covering a lot of ground mechanics-wise, and there will always be civs that players feel are missing, but it feels like it is close to the time for the dev team to start looking at the next ed of Civ, especially as more 4C games come into the market.

 

[Linklite]

...others:
Cuban, Hebrew, Mexican, Nicaraguan, Nigerian, Thai, Welsh...

As much as I'd absolutely love it if they included us, I doubt that we'd qualify. I'm still highly skeptical about Scotland, although since they did anyway, I guess there's hope after all...

They're in the game already as Phoenicians.

True, as I said I was really tired, so I knew that but forgot!

Songhai's niche is filled by Mali, which also kind of fills Morocco's niche as a desert/trading civ.

Not sure that means much. So long as they alter the bonuses, it's fine. I mean, both Macedonia and Columbians are straight Dom civs, but because the bonuses are different, it's fine having both.

Assyria's niche is filled by Sumeria/Babylon, though in my mind they could coexist.

I've always seen Assyrians as more warlike than the other two.

Huns niche is filled by Scythia.

I think there is more scope for exploring the nomadic conquering horde niche. There's some interesting angles that you could take it.

Venice and Siam are now represented by a city-state in NFP and Morocco in GS.

Means nothing in this conversation, though. Babylon was already in the game when they made it a fully fledged civ. They'd just rename it and move on.

If there is more after NFP, I do hope they consider:

...
And an alt leader for...America.

Meh, they already have the two Teddys, even if one is for buying the whole of NFP in a block. They should just make him separately available afterwards, I'd prefer more alts for other countries.

You could go for Bismarck as prussian leader and give him to Germany as an alt as well. I mean he started his political career in Prussia and then had a great part in the unification of Germany followed by nearly 20 years as chancellor.

That's who came to my mind, although I didn't want to suggest it since my Prussian history is patchy.

 

[blackbutterfly]

I've really enjoyed the new civs as part of NFP but with each additional game mode Civ VI seems to be breaking more and more. More exploits and bugs.

In that respect I'd rather Civ VI were patched (to fix these bugs and exploits) rather than new content added.

Modders are doing a great job of filling in the gaps in civs and leaders for Civ VI.

 

[Wielki Hegemon]

Fixing bugs, exploits, AI, etc is not a content we should consider as a additional paid DLC

 

[BD123]

I'm with the camp that NFP will be the last major addition to Civ 6. I'm expecting some small changes to the base game civs that haven't aged well in the 4ish years Civ 6 has been out, sort of like how the final update and patch for Civ 5 added stuff for Germany and Japan, but nothing major beyond that.

Maybe we'll get 1 or 2 additional civs as their own dlcs, but I definitely don't see anything of the size of another pass or expansion happening.

As for possible civs, the list is endless but I think the ones that I see most commonly requested are Italy, Hittites, Iroquois, and Portugal. So say the last NFP civ in March is the Iroquois, they could just do a standalone dlcs for the other 3. But then again I remember the first few dlc (Poland, Australia) got a fluster of negative reviews on Steam bc ppl thought they were too expensive, which is odd since the same style dlc for Civ V (so Korea, Babylon, etc) are positive reviewed.