What could the US have done to stay waaaaay out in front?

[red_elk]

Germany was crushed by the US and USSR.

And Japan was crushed by USSR and the US

 

[Cutlass]

I don't recall any Soviet bombers over Japan, or Soviet navy forces blockading Japan and strangling its trade. While I think it's true that fear of the Red Army's impending steamrolling of the Imperial Army in China had a lot to do with Japanese surrender, the USSR was not the force that crippled the Japanese industry.

 

[North King]

What the US has lost in quantity it more than makes up for in quality, which is a lot more relevant to imperial capabilities in the modern world.

 

[red_elk]

I don't recall any Soviet bombers over Japan, or Soviet navy forces blockading Japan and strangling its trade. While I think it's true that fear of the Red Army's impending steamrolling of the Imperial Army in China had a lot to do with Japanese surrender, the USSR was not the force that crippled the Japanese industry.

As I don't recall American army destroying 80% of German land forces and capturing Berlin, though its role in defeating Germany is undeniable too.
Nevermind, it's just funny how you put the U.S. on first place and didn't mention Britain at all.

 

[Masada]

As I don't recall American army destroying 80% of German land forces and capturing Berlin, though its role in defeating Germany is undeniable too.

Yes, that is totally relevant for Japan.

Nevermind, it's just funny how you put the U.S. on first place and didn't mention Britain at all.

The War in the Pacific was won by the United States. Britain was essentially a peripheral player in the struggle. Its biggest contribution was to hold the front in Burma which wasn't critical to the outcome of the war. At most it ensured that Britain would still have a say in India in the post-war period. That's about all it achieved.

 

[red_elk]

Yes, that is totally relevant for Japan.

That's totally relevant to our discussion, if you would bother to read it.

 

[Masada]

That's totally relevant to our discussion, if you would bother to read it.

I did, now please demonstrate where and how Japan was crushed by the USSR. I'll accept that I've carried the point on Britain. But I suppose that the American contribution to Western Europe at Stalin's rather insistent pleadings didn't achieve much.

 

[red_elk]

I did, now please demonstrate where and how Japan was crushed by the USSR. I'll accept that I've carried the point on Britain. But I suppose that the American contribution to Western Europe at Stalin's rather insistent pleadings didn't achieve much.

Are you playing dumb, or I really need to explain what my reply about Japan meant?

 

[Masada]

Are you playing dumb, or I really need to explain what my reply about Japan meant?

Yes because other than an attempt at poor humour or a further extension of your pedestrian bias for all things Russian I can't seem to fathom your position.

 

[red_elk]

Read carefully my post at the top of this page.
The statement "Germany in WW2 was crushed by USA" is as correct as statement "Japan was crushed by USSR"
Both statements are wrong, if you still don't get it.

 

[Lord Baal]

Read carefully my post at the top of this page.
The statement "Germany in WW2 was crushed by USA" is as correct as statement "Japan was crushed by USSR"
Both statements are wrong, if you still don't get it.

Except that Germany, while beaten, was by no means "crushed" until after American entry into the war. Japan, on the other hand, was already trying to surrender before the Russians entered the war. Which the Russians well knew, since it was Molotov they were asking to act as an intermediary with the US. So your comparison is miles off.

 

[Cutlass]

Read carefully my post at the top of this page.
The statement "Germany in WW2 was crushed by USA" is as correct as statement "Japan was crushed by USSR"
Both statements are wrong, if you still don't get it.

Only what I said was

Germany was crushed by the US and USSR.

Now I suppose I should have credited the UK with holding on alone in the West before US entry into the war, and UK bombers did do quite a lot to level German cities. Buy I hardly think I slighted the USSR.

 

[red_elk]

Except that Germany, while beaten, was by no means "crushed" until after American entry into the war. Japan, on the other hand, was already trying to surrender before the Russians entered the war. Which the Russians well knew, since it was Molotov they were asking to act as an intermediary with the US. So your comparison is miles off.

Nice analysis, but irrelevant, as since it was not USA who "crushed" Germany anyway. They did a great job in helping the others, though.

Only what I said was Now I suppose I should have credited the UK with holding on alone in the West before US entry into the war, and UK bombers did do quite a lot to level German cities. Buy I hardly think I slighted the USSR.

It actually doesn't worth a whole page of discussion, but what I meant, correct statement should be "Germany was crushed by the USSR, Britain and the U.S."

 

[Cutlass]

My point was not to write an exhaustive essay on the economic consequences of WWII, but rather just a handful of points to illustrate that the US economic possition in 1945 relative to the rest of the world was neither a natural nor sustainable one.

 

[Perfection]

Germany was crushed by Canada

 

[BuckyRea]

The mouse was crushed by the stilettos.

It sure seems like everyone in this thread suddenly got into snippy mood. For whatever I contributed to that mood, I apologize.

 

[civ_king]

Hard work, family, duty, humility, austerity, etc.



Any manifesto that's in favor of legal abortion will inevitably use this argument at some point; "whether or not you're okay with killing people, it's not your prerogative to enforce your beliefs on others."

Couldn't tell you if the root of the problem is our cultural idols themselves becoming more decadent, or if our declining education system is what spawned the aforementioned people.



If by "out having drugs and fun," you mean "puking their guts out in a homeless shelter while their family forfeits their house," sure. But just because you're indifferent to people ruining their's and others' lives, doesn't mean the people who care are all Limbaugh conservatives.

So basically you are saying values alined with Catholicism were what kept the US #1 and then the socialist liberals and fundamentalist conservatives went into a gunfight and morality was a hit by stray bullets?

 

[LightSpectra]

So basically you are saying values alined with Catholicism were what kept the US #1 and then the socialist liberals and fundamentalist conservatives went into a gunfight and morality was a hit by stray bullets?

Did I ever mention socialism or fundamentalism at any time in any of my posts in this thread?

Even by the standards of strawmen, I haven't the faintest clue what you're babbling about.

 

[Traitorfish]

Besides, that sounded rather more Protestant-y than Catholic-y. I mean, "hard work and austerity"? What are ye, boy, a fudgingg Presbyterian?

 

[Dachs]

He's as much a (dirty) Catholic as I am an Orthodoxal! :3