What is Multiculturalism and why it's bad

[Tee Kay]

worst of all, considering that public debate and administration should not be between individuals, but between "cultural communities".

That's nothing new. I don't like it necessarily either, but it's not an exclusively multiculturalist sin. Think of religious leaders who claim to speak for all Christians or Muslims or whatever, or CEOs of XYZ corporation claiming to speak for the "business community", or even unions speaking for their members. If businesses or other lobbies are able to aggregate into blocs to make themselves heard in the public sphere - even if they don't really speak for all they claim to speak for - then why shouldn't "cultural communities" be granted the same privilege.

Let me guess, the Victorian police are you watching to make sure you treat them Burmans right.

Paying Burmans 1/20th of the legal minimum wage is an integral part of Thai culture. If anyone ask it's reparations for Ayutthaya.

 

[luiz]

Business, unions and the likes are voluntary associations. On some subjects, not all of course, the leaders of those associations do have legitimacy to speak for the group. The problem is the self appointed leaders of the "cultural communities" want to speak for people based on their phenotype or sexual orientation, on pretty much all subjects. There is no legitimacy whatsoever in that.

 

[Tahuti]

Which sounds like a strawman tbh sitting here in very multicultural Melbourne.

Multiculturalism can also be a matter of fact (as per your example) and simply denote the acceptance of foreign cultures. That's a good thing we should aim at.

There is definitely a less benign form of multiculturalism that comes in the form of politically correct hysteria and affirmative action, pigeon holing people in ethnic groups, then demand everyone to love that and call that tolerance.

 

[classical_hero]

Does this mean you'll be abandoning your minority fundamentalist Christian culture in favour of coming together under the mainstream non-fundamentalist culture?

Or put another way, you seem to be erroneously assuming that you're part of the majority which must be conformed to.

What I said is that there will be one dominant culture wherever you go, so trying to serve two master will always be a bad thing to do, does it always mean that dominant culture is right, not always, but that is a human condition.

 

[Camikaze]

What I said is that there will be one dominant culture wherever you go, so trying to serve two master will always be a bad thing to do, does it always mean that dominant culture is right, not always, but that is a human condition.

Right, so given your culture is not the dominant one, and given you say that 'trying to serve two master will always be a bad thing to do', are you refusing to assimilate or integrate with the dominant culture?

 

[Domen]

Level of ethnic diversity ("multiculturalism") by region of the world according to James D. Fearon, study from 2003:

https://www.google.pl/search?q=ethn...hannel=sb&gfe_rd=cr&ei=SLAMVK_wNKuI8Qfj14HgAQ

Black points = medians of ethnic diversity in each region (closer to 1 = greater diversity, closer to 0 = smaller diversity):

"West" had (in 2003) the lowest level of ethnic diversity of all regions of the world. Fearon's "West" includes 21 countries: Canada, Switzerland, Belgium, Spain, the USA, New Zealand, the UK, France, Sweden, Ireland, Australia, Finland, Denmark, Austria, Norway, Germany, Holland, Greece, Portugal, Italy, Japan.

EE/FSU = Eastern Europe / Former Soviet Union. It had a greater level of ethnic diversity than "West" according to that 2003 study.

Region with the greatest level of ethnic, linguistic and cultural diversity was Sub-Saharan Africa.

Country with the greatest level of ethnic, linguistic and cultural diversity was Papua New Guinea (diversity close to 1 = 100%).

Papua New Guinea is an example to follow for Europe in its transformation from "Europe of nations" to "Europe of regions".

 

[Tee Kay]

You resurrected thread that's been dead for half a year for that?

 

[gay_Aleks]

There's no expiration date for proving someone wrong!

 

[Tee Kay]

But he's just posting random [excrement] with no context "look here's some dodgy study by some guy saying stuff quasi-relevant to the subject, i so smart"

 

[gay_Aleks]

Well, it's the freedom of speech. Nobody said it has to be pleasant.

 

[Tee Kay]

Well, it's the freedom of speech.

So is this.

By the way the "it's a free country!" argument is one of the worst ones out there. It's technically not illegal for instance to place faeces in my mailbox, but you shouldn't do it.

 

[Tahuti]

It's technically not illegal for instance to place faeces in my mailbox, but you shouldn't do it.

Well, I'm going to try that. You may pay the legal fines if I get arrested for it.

 

[cardgame]

Yeah, it seems like that should be kept to its own thread (immigration and racial IQ and all that) rather than necroing two threads just to end up in the same discussion.

It's technically not illegal for instance to place faeces in my mailbox, but you shouldn't do it.

Well, I know what I'm doing tonight.

 

[Domen]

I quote that study because it debunks the common myth that "West" = multicultural and "East" = nation states.

In reality it's the opposite, and in the past it was even more visible. Of course there are some exceptions in both groups.

 

[Goodfella]

There's a much bigger difference between a place where you can find Chinese, Indians, Mexicans, Koreans, Jews, Iranians, Africans, and typical US whites, then a place where you can find a bunch of people from the same country who just speak different languages.

 

[Domen]

So you say that multiculturalism requires constant immigration, because 2nd and further generations already born in a country don't count ???

 

[Goodfella]

When I said "Chinese, Indians, etc" I was mainly just talking about people of that ancestry in general, but yeah, a place with a lot of first and second generation immigrants is more multicultural than a place with 4th generations immigrants from the same places.

 

[Domen]

Indigenous people and all people with some indigenous ancestry in the Americas by country (approximate percentages):

Grey = either no data or very small number of indigenous people / ancestry. Dominica has the largest Carib minority (4%).

Places where indigenous languages in Latin America are still quite widely spoken (Quechua, Guarani, Aymara, Nahuatl, Mayan, Mapuche):

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Unmixed Black Africans by region in South Africa in period 1996-2011 (lowest / highest % at any given time during this period):

Spoiler :

 

[aelf]

It's Domen. He will do anything to prove Poles are better, which is supposed to also show that they're very open-minded and tolerant.

 

[Domen]

Did I mention them in this thread ???