What is Multiculturalism and why it's bad

[Borachio]

Indeed. My sister has traced her genealogy (and presumably mine too, but who knows, eh?) back to 1830 (or something). Yet only the one branch of it.

It's an exponential problem. If you ignore in-breeding, you've a staggering number of ancestors, and you'd soon run out of paper and ink (and time) to keep track of them all.

And yet, and yet. Follow it all back far enough, we all end up related to each other. We surely must. Don't you think?

Which is why, to labour the point, all talk of race is completely spurious.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

That girl has definetly got body type (not much the color skin) of some type of black women.

I find that e.g. asian mixed with black creates some of the pretties type of people, imo. Sorry no picture...

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Indeed. My sister has traced her genealogy (and presumably mine too, but who knows, eh?) back to 1830 (or something). Yet only the one branch of it.

It's an exponential problem. If you ignore in-breeding, you've a staggering number of ancestors, and you'd soon run out of paper and ink (and time) to keep track of them all.

which tells you that it doesnt really matter; unless of course your child is born in black spectrum and you want to know why...

 

[Domen]

Ancestry lineage from duke Siemowit of the Piast dynasty to queen Elisabeth of the Windsor dynasty:

http://blogi.newsweek.pl/Tekst/hist...ie-panujacych-ksiazat-oraz-krolow-europy.html

Siemowit I Piast duke of Mazovia & Sieradz (1215 - 1262)
Boleslav II Piast duke of Mazovia & Sandomir (1251 - 1313)
Troyden I Piast duke in Mazovia (1284 - 1341)
Eufemia princess of Cieszyn & in Mazovia (1310 - 1374) x Casimir I Piast duke of Cieszyn & in Upper Silesia (1280 - 1358)
Premislav I Piast duke of Cieszyn & in Upper Silesia (1332 - 1410)
Anne princess of Cieszyn & in Lower Silesia (1374 - 1420) x Henry IX Piast duke in Lower Silesia (1369 - 1420)
Louis III Piast duke in Lower Silesia (1405 - 1441)
John I Piast duke in Lower Silesia (1425 - 1453)
Frederick I Piast duke in Lower Silesia (1448 - 1488)
Frederick II Piast duke in Lower Silesia (1480 - 1547)
Sophia princess of Legnica (1525 - 1546) x John George Hohenzollern elector of Brandenburg (1525 - 1598)
Joachim III Frederick Hohenzollern elector of Brandenburg (1546 - 1608)
John Sigismund Hohenzollern elector of Brandenburg, prince of Prussia (1572 - 1619)
George William Hohenzollern elector of Brandenburg, prince of Prussia (1593 - 1640)
Frederick William I Hohenzollern elector of Brandenburg, prince of Prussia (1620 - 1688)
Frederick I Hohenzollern king of Prussia (1657 - 1713)
Frederick William I Hohenzollern king of Prussia (1688 - 1740)
Sophia Dorothy princess of Brandenburg-Schwedt (1719 - 1765) x Frederick William Hohenzollern margrave of Brandenburg-Schwedt (1700 - 1771)
Sophia Dorothy princess of Württemberg (1736 - 1798) x Frederick II Eugene duke of Württemberg (1732 - 1797)
Louis Frederick duke of Württemberg (1756 - 1817)
Alexander duke of Württemberg (1804 - 1885)
Francis Württemberg duke of Teck (1837 - 1900)
Mary of Teck queen of GB (1867 - 1953) x George V Koburg Windsor king of GB (1865 - 1936)
George VI Albert Windsor king of GB (1895 - 1952)
Elisabeth II Windsor queen of Great Britain (1926 - )

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So if I counted correctly, Duke Siemowit is 22 x great-grandfather of queen Elisabeth II.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

There you go thats a clear claim and causus beli: Poland can into Britain...

 

[Arakhor]

She's the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Great Britain as a specific nation only existed between 1707 and 1801.

Besides, you missed her far more interesting links to Canute, and all the other crowned heads of Europe. That and her father wasn't King George Albert; he was King George VI, but his usual given name was Albert.

 

[Domen]

Thanks for corrections when it comes to Windsors.

and all the other crowned heads of Europe.

I ended on Siemowit, but of course we can go from him to the first crowned head of Poland as well:

Number x great-grandfather of Elisabeth II (born - died):

29x Boleslav I Piast first king of Poland (967 - 1025)
28x Mieszko II Piast king of Poland (990 - 1034)
27x Casimir I Piast duke of Poland (1016 - 1058)
26x Vladislav I Piast duke of Poland (1043 - 1102)
25x Boleslav III Piast duke of Poland (1086 - 1138)
24x Casimir II Piast supreme duke of Poland (1138 - 1194)
23x Conrad I Piast supreme duke of Poland (1187 - 1247)
22x Siemowit I Piast duke of Mazovia & Sieradz (1215 - 1262)

First king of Poland is the 29 x great-grandfather of Elisabeth II.

links to Canute

Feel free to post her entire lineage from Canute. I don't have such data.

There you go thats a clear claim and causus beli: Poland can into Britain...

They will think twice before claiming once again that Elisabeth II is "German".

 

[warpus]

Holy Crap, is the Canadian head of state representing someone who is part Polish!?!?

That changes everything. ALL HAIL THE QUEEN *salute*

 

[Arakhor]

Spoiler The House of Cerdic :

There you go. I'm sure you can work it from there.

 

[Domen]

Except that the maximum possible number of 22 x great-grandfathers a person could possibly have is 8,388,608 (if I counted correctly).

And if we go to Troyden I (her 20 x great-grandfather) then the maximum of possible male ancestors is 2,097,152.

It is literally hard not to be a descendant of someone who lived 1000 years ago.

At least if that person lived in the same continent. Because I doubt there are Australian Aborigines or Zulus among Elisabeth's ancestors.

 

[Arakhor]

It is literally hard not to be a descendant of someone who lived 1000 years ago.

So why are you pointing out that the Queen is descended from random Polish rulers? Your own statement indicates that you completely wasted your time.

 

[Old Hippy]

It is literally hard not to be a descendant of someone who lived 1000 years ago.
.

unless they did not have kids, then it is literally impossible to be a descent of that person...

 

[Domen]

If someone's lineage did not survive then of course it is impossible.

For example Alexander the Great had kids but no grandkids - so nobody is his descendant.

Unless he had some other illegitimate kids that historians are not aware of.

Your own statement indicates that you completely wasted your time.

I wasted about as much time as you when looking for that lineage from Canute. And also there was no point in that.

In general participating in forum discussions is wasting time, isn't it ??? So what's the difference if I waste it for posting this or that.

 

[Borachio]

I'd say it's impossible not to be descended from someone from not only 1000 years ago, but, let me get this right, from 3.4 billion years ago.

But wait, you might mean "take a random person from 1000 years ago, and we're all their descendants"?

That's a much less likely claim, since most lineages do die out quite quickly. Well, that's not quite true either, since all lineages date to 3.4 billion years ago. (At least.). But the overwhelming number of lineages reach dead ends. Otherwise there'd be literally billions of us. No, wait... what do I mean?

 

[Arakhor]

Pretty much anyone of with ethnically English parents and grandparents is descended from Edward III. According to the historian Ian Mortimer, something like 98.4% of all ethnic (English) Britons are descended from Edward III (and that was a very conservative estimate).

By that measure, I'm almost certainly descended from both Edward III and Cerdic of Wessex.

 

[Domen]

from 3.4 billion years ago.

You mean we are all descendants of bacteria ??? And that's your proof that there are no races ???

You get your genes from all ancestors. And gene flow between continents was limited, which is why we have such differences today.

If you have 950,000 Europeans and 2 Australian Aborigines per 1,000,000 ancestors, then you are genetically White, not Australian Aborigine.

 

[Borachio]

No, it's my proof that we're all related. And that all wars are civil wars.

 

[Domen]

Yes but there is a huge difference between being related in say 0,00001% and being related in say 2%.

Even before Europeans discovered Australia there was some gene flow between Australia and South-East Asia (we can assume this from fact that Aborigines got Dingos from trade exchange or contacts with South-East Asians), but that was very limited and South-East Asia is also very far away from Europe.

So the chance that a person in Europe had an Aborigine among their ancestors was very small. And always it would be indirect ancestry.

 

[Arakhor]

I wasted about as much time as you when looking for that lineage from Canute. And also there was no point in that.

Actually, it took me less than five minutes, because I knew what I was looking for. Besides, if we're going to play Six Degrees of Separation: History Edition, let's at least pick people who aren't highly likely to be related (e.g. any two members of European royal families), such as (say) Cesare Borgia and Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester.

 

[Borachio]

So the chance that a person in Europe had an Aborigine among their ancestors was very small.

This is true, I think.

Nonetheless, all indigeneous Australians are numbered among my many cousins.