What is that violet-white civ on the mini map down there?

[nunor]

A purple Venetian flag in Venice:

Spoiler :

Doesn't really add much to the discussion, but it's pretty

 

[GLaz]

What about Tibet?

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

What about Tibet?

I believe Lhasa was spotted and the devs wouldn't risk adding it because it would get banned in China.

 

[Captain Fargle]

What about Tibet?

Lhasa is still a City State so nope.

 

[Joe Hoofer]

I really hope it's the Lakota.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

The other 2 civs are going to be between the letters P and Z, so no Lakota.

I think it's either Pueblo/Sioux, and Venice.

 

[Tsar NicholasII]

I really hope it's the Lakota.

Why restrict themselves to the Lakota when they can have the Sioux that encompasses more?

 

[Louis XXIV]

Pretty close colours?! They're exactly the same within error caused by compression. To put it bluntly, I don't see any other way that they would have come up with a colour combination that would be such a perfect match to those by mere chance.

I was responding to someone who posted an alternative version of the flag where the color looked more indigo.

Maybe they chose purple and white (the exact same shade of purple from the venetian flag) just to mess with us.

I'm going to go with it being a magic civ with purple and white colors that has the ability to cause other city states to change color and has a Tomahawk UU that appears as a barbarian.

Leader: Loki
Other UU: Puck

 

[alpha2117]

I think most of us were betting on Italy or Venice, but thinking the former was more likely simply because it just sounded more likely, so this isn't much a change - if anything, thinking Venice is in is a modified version of thinking Italy is in.


In addition to Menzies' evidence presented so far, there's also the fact that there are very few other possibilities if you believe the alphabet. Out of the others, only Ukraine has anything of a chance, and I don't think it has anywhere near the chance Venice does.

Ummm Visigoths or Vandals and the Tatars who people tend to call the Golden Horde. I'd actually list all three of them a long way in front of Ukraine. The Visigoths and Vandals both have fairly compelling cases but both of them and the Tatars seem redundant given other civ choices.

All of them are a long way behind Venice but until I see a hard piece of evidence I'm sticking by Venice 90% the field 10% for that euro civ.

 

[Menzies]

I was responding to someone who posted an alternative version of the flag where the color looked more indigo.

The point is that they seem to have used that particular version as on Wikipedia as a colour source. To get such a perfect match by chance is on the same level as winning the lottery in terms of pure chance.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Ummm Visigoths or Vandals and the Tatars who people tend to call the Golden Horde. I'd actually list all three of them a long way in front of Ukraine. The Visigoths and Vandals both have fairly compelling cases but both of them and the Tatars seem redundant given other civ choices.

All of them are a long way behind Venice but until I see a hard piece of evidence I'm sticking by Venice 90% the field 10% for that euro civ.

I'd say Ukraine has still the best chance if they focus on the Zpraraszhoaian cossacks (however you spell that) and Kievan Rus. I really don't think the Visigoths and Vandals have much a chance unless they're revamping Germany's UA somehow, and the Tatars would seem like a really odd choice for yet another nomad civ (I would guess the Timurids would have the best shot at that).

Although frankly all in all their chances are all nothing compared to Venice's at this point.

 

[alpha2117]

The Visigoths had a big kingdom in Iberia - the Vandals actually controlled most of Nth Africa. They started out as Germans (or possibly from Norway) but the Romans ended up creating their own worst enemies when those two headed sth West to avoid the Romans.

 

[Menzies]

I would also add that from memory most programs like Photoshop don't really have a "default pallet" instead going for a colour select panel that includes all shades available in the format. I still don't know where the purple for the Venetian Flag on wikipedia came from, but he was probably just using some other source for the Siestieri symbol colour. In any case, the chances of both the developers and the person who made the version of the flag using the same programme, happening to use the same colour pallet, then actually using the same pair of colours is on it's own still very unlikely and would be one mighty coincidence. I'm still in the process of looking for a source of this purple he used though, we might get lucky and find a colour source for their work.

I hope you are all wrong about Venice.

Me too, but sadly we have to listen to the facts in this case.

 

[ImperialChaos]

Venice has this going for it:
Venice as a city-state is gone
European civilization is confirmed
Exact match of a small part of Venice's flag (on wiki; but Fireaxis has shown to be somewhat lazy) matches new civilization's colors.
The capital in the image is extremely cultured and Venice would, without a doubt in my mind, get a capital UA bonus. The bonus would most likely be culture-related (it was a city-state)
One of the few remaining European civs that is alphabetically between Portugal and Zulu.
The only remaining European civ that has connection to culture and international trade which are big parts of the expansion. Visigoths and Vandals both have nothing to add to BNW and are not known to be fan favorites like the Zulu.

 

[Yzman]

Venice has this going for it:
Venice as a city-state is gone
European civilization is confirmed
Exact match of a small part of Venice's flag (on wiki; but Fireaxis has shown to be somewhat lazy) matches new civilization's colors.
The capital in the image is extremely cultured and Venice would, without a doubt in my mind, get a capital UA bonus. The bonus would most likely be culture-related (it was a city-state)
One of the few remaining European civs that is alphabetically between Portugal and Zulu.
The only remaining European civ that has connection to culture and international trade which are big parts of the expansion. Visigoths and Vandals both have nothing to add to BNW and are not known to be fan favorites like the Zulu.

How do we know exactly that Venice is gone as a city-state? Surely we haven't seen a list of all city states?

Edit: So I looked it up and it appears we are basing it off a a new CS having the same color scheme as Venice has. Personally I wonder if people are looking too much into this. The color change could have some other reason and it may just be some random thing because of the build of the game. Lastly, though unlikely, it may just be that CS can have duplicate colors. I suppose I just feel that Venice doesn't feel like the type of Civ they would add ( nor that we need, the region is already very represented). I definitely see now why people are thinking it though.

 

[poom3619]

Seems like I'm not only one who want to see Enrico Dandolo as leader. (He basically only Doge I know )

@Menzies. How long will you have to use lottery as metaphor?, and when will "that kind of people" will stop show up and try to take down your theory with rant alone?

How do we know exactly that Venice is gone as a city-state? Surely we haven't seen a list of all city states?

Menzies made the theory which concluded that Riga is replaced Venice as city-state in BNW so Venice is no longer CS anymore, and now you will face Menzies' wrath
EDIT : One should have solid evidence to destroy Menzies' theory. Having "random" and "may" in it's post mean they're lack of it . No offense.

I hope you are all wrong about Venice.

Someone will wrong about Venice for sure. But I doubt it'll be Menzies.

 

[Menzies]

A purple Venetian flag in Venice:

Spoiler :

Doesn't really add much to the discussion, but it's pretty

That's what was linked in the spoiler.

 

[Kwami]

The point is that they seem to have used that particular version as on Wikipedia as a colour source. To get such a perfect match by chance is on the same level as winning the lottery in terms of pure chance.

That's quite an exaggeration! Even if we assume that the developers were picking from every possible 24-bit RGB color, they'd still only have 2^24~=16.7M colors to choose from. The chances of winning the Powerball jackpot are 1 in ~175M. That's an order of magnitude difference! Plus, they weren't picking a purple from all 2^24 colors because the vast majority of those colors aren't purple.

That said, the color used on the Wikipedia flag isn't a named color that's used widely elsewhere, so I suspect that the developers did indeed take it from there. Whether they used it for Venice, I don't know. I hope not, though.

 

[ImperialChaos]

How do we know exactly that Venice is gone as a city-state? Surely we haven't seen a list of all city states?

Edit: So I looked it up and it appears we are basing it off a a new CS having the same color scheme as Venice has. Personally I wonder if people are looking too much into this. The color change could have some other reason and it may just be some random thing because of the build of the game. Lastly, though unlikely, it may just be that CS can have duplicate colors. I suppose I just feel that Venice doesn't feel like the type of Civ they would add ( nor that we need, the region is already very represented). I definitely see now why people are thinking it though.

Yeah, that's pretty much what we're going on .

Seems like I'm not only one who want to see Enrico Dandolo as leader. (He basically only Doge I know )

@Menzies. How long will you have to use lottery as metaphor?, and when will "that kind of people" will stop show up and try to take down your theory with rant alone?



Menzies made the theory which concluded that Riga is replaced Venice as city-state in BNW so Venice is no longer CS anymore, and now you will face Menzies' wrath .



Someone will wrong about Venice for sure. But I doubt it'll be Menzies.

*Looks at comments and signature* Are you like Menzies second account? What's up with are your fan-boyish accolades for the man?


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That's what was linked in the spoiler.

It's most likely a red flag but the blue sky in the background makes it purple.

Me too, but sadly we have to listen to the facts in this case.

LMAO. You don't even want a Venetian civ?

 

[poom3619]

That's quite an exaggeration! Even if we assume that the developers were picking from every possible 24-bit RGB color, they'd still only have 2^24~=16.7M colors to choose from. The chances of winning the Powerball jackpot are 1 in ~175M. That's an order of magnitude difference! Plus, they weren't picking a purple from all 2^24 colors because the vast majority of those colors aren't purple.

That said, the color used on the Wikipedia flag isn't a named color that's used widely elsewhere, so I suspect that the developers did indeed take it from there. Whether they used it for Venice, I don't know. I hope not, though.

In Thailand you have 1/1M chance to win the first prize so your argument is invalid, at least here.