What is that violet-white civ on the mini map down there?

[Martin23230]

Lets say Venice is the other European civ;
and the Capital would be Venice.
Question: then what would be its 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th . . 15th other City names????
Just asking. . .

Three possible lists people have made, just by searching this forum:

Venice
Malamocco
Eraclea
Verona
Padua
Vicenza
Treviso
Rovigo
Choiggia
Bassano del Grappa
San Donà di Piave
Schio
Bergamo
Vicenza

Venice
Vicenza
Treviso
Verona
Belluno
Padua
Zara
Ragusa
Triest
Negroponte
Herakleon
Nicosia

Venice
Verona
Vicenza
Bassan
Padova
Treviso
Brescia
Bergamo
Crema
Zara
Spalato
Durazzo
Modon
Negropont
Candia
Canea
Famagusta
Nicosia

Plenty of options. The Republic of Venice was quite big, at a guess a similar size to modern Austria or the Netherlands, both of which provided plenty of cities for their Civs.

 

[Hinterlander]

It looks like the main city has somehow annexed two city-states. Maybe the UA has something to do with city-state aquisition . . . without infringing on Austria's?

 

[Veras]

Lets say Venice is the other European civ;
and the Capital would be Venice.
Question: then what would be its 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th . . 15th other City names????
Just asking. . .

Looking at the Veneto page on Wiki we got:

Verona, Padua, Vicenza, Treviso, Rovigo Chioggia, Belluno, Montagnana, Marostica, Asolo, Este, Bassano Del Grappa, San Dona di Piave, Schio, Arqua Petrarca.. And I don't even went to their overseas territories.

 

[JSMCAG]

It looks like the main city has somehow annexed two city-states. Maybe the UA has something to do with city-state aquisition . . . without infringing on Austria's?

Hmmm - I dunno, I don't see how those are ex-city-states... The Inca also have some cities spotted around the islands, so it's not like the AI wasn't already building overseas cities. I would say it's totally possible for the Purple "Mystery" Civ to have settled those...

Also, they could have just conquered them - Mongolia is quite good at doing so, even when AI controlled (Mongolia is usually a huge power in my games! On my first game in Gods & Kings, they were THE power of their continent, being pretty much the only civilization with their Capital left - the rest were either already taken, or in the process)... Assuming the is Venice, then conquering City-States could totally fit their AI personality! They didn't get the cities listed earlier by asking nicely!

 

[Veras]

Oh, looks like there is already a lot of lists around here.

 

[Martin23230]

Plenty of options. The Republic of Venice was quite big, at a guess a similar size to modern Austria or the Netherlands, both of which provided plenty of cities for their Civs.

In fact, to prove a point:

So, tell me again that Venice is only one city

 

[Hinterlander]

Hmmm - I dunno, I don't see how those are ex-city-states... The Inca also have some cities spotted around the islands, so it's not like the AI wasn't already building overseas cities. I would say it's totally possible for the Purple "Mystery" Civ to have settled those...

Also, they could have just conquered them - Mongolia is quite good at doing so, even when AI controlled (Mongolia is usually a huge power in my games! On my first game in Gods & Kings, they were THE power of their continent, being pretty much the only civilization with their Capital left - the rest were either already taken, or in the process)... Assuming the is Venice, then conquering City-States could totally fit their AI personality! They didn't get the cities listed earlier by asking nicely!

The pattern of the two cities north of the cap look like city-state spread . . . especially the one on the island. Of course it could all just be world-builder.

My guess is the Venetian UA or UU has to deal with naval combat. Think the navy sailing into Constantinople in the 4th Crusade.

 

[Hakan-i Cihan]

In fact, to prove a point:

So, tell me again that Venice is only one city

It isn't fair to compare venice with its "colonies" to modern austria and netherlands without its colonies.

 

[Martinus]

It isn't fair to compare venice with its "colonies" to modern austria and netherlands without its colonies.

Apples and oranges. Besides, what colonies did Austria have?

 

[Martin23230]

It isn't fair to compare venice with its "colonies" to modern austria and netherlands without its colonies.

Possibly it isn't in terms of history, but I'm only thinking in terms of Civilization V the videogame.

The Dutch and Austrian Civs from Gods and Kings do not include any cities outside the areas shown on the map, so Austria dosn't include Prague or Budapest and the Netherlands doesn't include Batavia or New Amsterdam.

My point was that when making a Venetian civ there is a big enough area to chose from.

 

[Hakan-i Cihan]

Apples and oranges. Besides, what colonies did Austria have?

I didn't say Austria had colonies, I meant Austria at its height was either the Hapsburgs
Monarchy or the Austrian(-hungary) empire and had much more territory.

Possibly it isn't in terms of history, but I'm only thinking in terms of Civilization V the videogame.

The Dutch and Austrian Civs from Gods and Kings do not include any cities outside the areas shown on the map, so Austria dosn't include Prague or Budapest and the Netherlands doesn't include Batavia or New Amsterdam.

My point was that when making a Venetian civ there is a big enough area to chose from.

I can live with that...

 

[poom3619]

I didn't say Austria had colonies, I meant Austria at its height was either the Hapsburgs
Monarchy or the Austrian(-hungary) empire and had much more territory.

Well. You do say Austria an Netherland without it's colony. You could tell that Austria without satellite.

and unless you think fairness is mean measure the island that's Venice happen to sit on and not it's oversea territory. You might at well as measure Hawaii and Java island.

"...Gentlemen, forget what your courtisans have told you: size does matter!"
-CEO Nwabudike Morgan

 

[sukritact]

The Veneto seems to be about the same size as the Netherlands regardless.

 

[Joe Hoofer]

I just found this. Huh. Maybe the Iroquois should've been the violet-white ones in the first place?

 

[sukritact]

I just found this. Huh. Maybe the Iroquois should've been the violet-white ones in the first place?

That, amigo mio, is relatively old news for the most of us.

 

[Menzies]

I just found this. Huh. Maybe the Iroquois should've been the violet-white ones in the first place?

Whether or not it makes more sense to some, the simple point remains that the colour off of Wikipedia's version of Venice's flag are a match for the colours seen for the unknown Civ. Below is a colour comparison of the Iroquois flag to the unknown civ, with the Iroquois' colours on the left, and the unknown civ on the right:

Below is the colour comparison with Venice's flag's colours on the left instead:

So no, it doesn't look like it's a tweaked Iroquois colour scheme.

 

[Hakan-i Cihan]

Well. You do say Austria an Netherland without it's colony. You could tell that Austria without satellite.

and unless you think fairness is mean measure the island that's Venice happen to sit on and not it's oversea territory. You might at well as measure Hawaii and Java island.

"...Gentlemen, forget what your courtisans have told you: size does matter!"
-CEO Nwabudike Morgan

You should read the sentence again, "it's colonies" refers to a single nation/civilization (the Netherlands), otherwise I used "their" for plural nations/civilizations.
And fair comparison means compare the territory of each nation/civilizations at it's height.

 

[Joe Hoofer]

Good info to know, then!

 

[Ricardo_]

It isn't fair to compare venice with its "colonies" to modern austria and netherlands without its colonies.

If you take out the "colonies", the "Venetian Mainland" has roughly the same size of The Netherlands.

The size or city list is not an issue and there's no reason whatsoever to make Venice into a permanent OCC civ if it really makes it into the game.

Venice was not in my 9 favorite civ list for this expansion, but I can see them getting in, they surely are relevant and pretty unique.

If they were to make a permanent OCC civ, my choice would be the Most Serene Republic of San Marino.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

If they were to make a permanent OCC civ, my choice would be the Most Serene Republic of San Marino.

I don't think the '84 Miami Dolphins is a good basis for a civ...

Oh, wait. You said SAN Marino.