What is your view of Ioannes Metaxas?

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What social revolt are you talking about? Have you ever read anything about Greek history? You must be kidding me. They guy was either crazy or a German Agent. He had no suppoort. No social support at all. Please read a little about Greek history before making stupid comments. :facepalm:
 
A "social revolt" in that it represented a revolt against the terms of class society. That doesn't imply that a revolt is popular, any more than the reverse, that a popular revolt challenges the terms of the existing society.


I don't even know where the "German agent" theory is supposed to come from.
 
A "social revolt" in that it represented a revolt against the terms of class society. That doesn't imply that a revolt is popular, any more than the reverse, that a popular revolt challenges the terms of the existing society.

Marxist stupid theories. And it was not a revolt. Unless the assassination of the Austrian Archduke was a social revolt.

I don't even know where the "German agent" theory is supposed to come from.

It came because the crazy killed the por-English King. So the pro-German heir came to power just a year before the start of WWI. Also, the crazy commited suicide after a secret meeting with the King Consantine.
 
Just wanted to urge all to be more civil :) Christos obviously cares deeply for this historic issue (i know little about it). Let's keep the thread more pleasant for all :)
 
Marxist stupid theories. And it was not a revolt.
The king was both the symbolic and political pinnacle of class society in Greece. By killing him, Schinas was striking a blow both symbolic and concrete against that society. An act of social revolt, however isolated and dead-ended it may have been, and however mislead or even irrational you may consider it, of that I don't think there can be any real question.

Unless the assassination of the Austrian Archduke was a social revolt.
No, the Black Hand were upstanding bourgeois nationalists, despite the fact that their name sounds like a Z-list punk band. If you want to look for social revolt in acts of regicide, you'd be better of looking at, for example, the assassination of Alexander II of Russia, President Carnot of France or Umberto I of Italy, to take probably the most famous examples. (I would tend to except the assassination of President McKinley of the United States, because it's generally acknowledged that Czolgosz was suffering from some sort of mental illness, and probably would not now be regarded as legally responsible for his actions.)

It came because the crazy killed the por-English King. So the pro-German heir came to power just a year before the start of WWI. Also, the crazy commited suicide after a secret meeting with the King Consantine.
That seems tenuous.
 
A murder a of a politicians is not a social revolution. Greece was a Crowned Democracy. The show was really run by the Prime Minister.

If a crazy guy assassinates Queen Elizabeth is he doing a social revolution and strikes class society of the UK?

Also, there is no such thing as social revolution. It is a Marxist lie.
 
I said "revolt". Not "revolution". Different words.

(Is this a language issue? Google translate renders both "revolt" and "revolution" as "επανάσταση" for Greek; contrast with French "révolte/révolution", German "revolte/revolution", Italian "rivolta/rivoluzione", Russian "восстание/революция", etc. :dunno:)
 
Revolt and Revolution only to some extent are analogous to Stasis (Στάσις) and Epanastasis. Stasis generally means revolt, and the common term for it would be Exegersis. Exegersis literally means "to rise up; rising up".

Epanastasis seems to mean "Re-constitution" and in the context of the Greek revolution of 1821 it is used along with the largely synonymous (Ethnike) Paliggenesia (which means "re-birth"). Paliggenesia itself originally was a philosophical theory in antiquity, which proposed that phenomena are born, die, and then reborn etc.

Stasis seems to mean etymologically a stance against something (i am not very sure about that though...). A famous stasis during the Byzantine Era was the "Nica stasis" or "Nika revolt", a series of riots.
 
Completely unrelated to the thread, but since 'stasis' can be used to mean revolt, how come it is often presented as meaning 'to ensure nothing changes' (such as the Stasis Fields in Ringworld which keep the occupant suspended in a space where no time passes).
 
Because stasis also means position.
 
Completely unrelated to the thread, but since 'stasis' can be used to mean revolt, how come it is often presented as meaning 'to ensure nothing changes' (such as the Stasis Fields in Ringworld which keep the occupant suspended in a space where no time passes).

Yes i had that in mind, which is why i proposed the "stance" meaning, which may not be utterly accurate but could sort of unite the two meanings in an english term. Stasis has both, very different, meanings in Greek :)

And as Christos said, position is another term for stance.
 
Sounds to me like the Greeks ruined their own country, there, not Schinas. All he did was demonstrate, in dramatically effective terms, how ridiculous a system of government it must be if the death of one man, and a man of no exceptional wit or talent, can make the difference between prosperity and disaster.
It seems like a very reasonable thing to believe, actually: to think that the life or death of one person, regardless of talent or wit, could make the difference between prosperity and disaster for many more people. That this one person might be a monarch on one occasion instead of, say, a cobbler, or a private soldier, or a maid, as on others, doesn't necessarily say anything about monarchy: it's just the intersection between society and chaos.

Of course, I don't think that things would've happened just as christos described them, but the reason that they are not reasonable isn't because of the idea of monarchy or whatever, but because it's not clear that Georgios' survival, for however long he might have survived, would have made all that much of a difference to Greek policy going forward.
 
It seems like a very reasonable thing to believe, actually: to think that the life or death of one person, regardless of talent or wit, could make the difference between prosperity and disaster for many more people. That this one person might be a monarch on one occasion instead of, say, a cobbler, or a private soldier, or a maid, as on others, doesn't necessarily say anything about monarchy: it's just the intersection between society and chaos.
Granted, granted. But it seems like balancing an entire political order on one individual does rather tempt fate. You don't have to be anarchist to think that bit of redundancy in the system might be a good idea.
 
Granted, granted. But it seems like balancing an entire political order on one individual does rather tempt fate. You don't have to be anarchist to think that bit of redundancy in the system might be a good idea.
Which is why the original Greek experiment ended when Capodistrias was murdered.

@christros200: TF isn't racist, he's simply a filthy Red.
 
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