What supplements do you take?

yung.carl.jung said:
It's never healthy my friend, sorry to break it to ya. the highest grade "chocolate hazelnut spread" has about 30% hazelnut. and a decent amount of cocoa butter. the rest is, obviously, sugar. no food that has that much sugar should ever be considered healthy.

you could make it yourself and use little sugar, or use artifical sweetener, but the sugar is actually absolutely crucial for texture. a nutella style spread without sugar just doesn't work, it's the same with ice cream.
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Sugar is so freaking hard to avoid. The recommended max sugar intake for an adult is 50g per day, which can be blown past with a single soda. And that limit is due to lobbying...the actual intake should be 25g per day. My wife and I spent several months limiting our sugar to less than 25g per day to become more aware of it. We no longer stick to 25g religiously, because the point was for us to be mindful and aware so our diet overall has changed significantly because of the effort.
 
thecrazyscot said:
Sugar is so freaking hard to avoid. The recommended max sugar intake for an adult is 50g per day, which can be blown past with a single soda. And that limit is due to lobbying...the actual intake should be 25g per day. My wife and I spent several months limiting our sugar to less than 25g per day to become more aware of it. We no longer stick to 25g religiously, because the point was for us to be mindful and aware so our diet overall has changed significantly because of the effort.
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when you actively avoid sugar for a few months you literally cannot live a normal life anymore. I had a phase where I didn't drink alcohol/soda/juice and did not eat sweets/cake/ice cream, any dessert. no processed dishes, no ketchup, nada.

after just weeks of this I noticed how my palate was getting intensely sensitive. after a month or two I got a noticeable pain in my gums when drinking a single sip of coca cola, or even rum mixed with cola. I could not do any social drinking unless I drank straight hard liquor or just beer. I could not visit my grandparents because they insist I eat their cake/cookies/sweets "one won't hurt!" my *** :D you have to entirely avoid any fast food chains when eating with friends, as well as most processed foods, it's cray cray. our tolerance for sugar has gone up so much, not stuffing yourself with sugar feels like a deficiency.

the problem in my diet, I reckon, is mostly fat, which I find almost as hard to cut out. I'm not a big sweet-tooth. not putting butter in my sauces as a finisher, not drizzling some olive oil, avoiding deep-fried foods.. it hurts me deep inside :D
 
yung.carl.jung said:
when you actively avoid sugar for a few months you literally cannot live a normal life anymore. I had a phase where I didn't drink alcohol/soda/juice and did not eat sweets/cake/ice cream, any dessert. no processed dishes, no ketchup, nada.

after just weeks of this I noticed how my palate was getting intensely sensitive. after a month or two I got a noticeable pain in my gums when drinking a single sip of coca cola, or even rum mixed with cola. I could not do any social drinking unless I drank straight hard liquor or just beer. I could not visit my grandparents because they insist I eat their cake/cookies/sweets "one won't hurt!" my *** :D you have to entirely avoid any fast food chains when eating with friends, as well as most processed foods, it's cray cray. our tolerance for sugar has gone up so much, not stuffing yourself with sugar feels like a deficiency.

the problem in my diet, I reckon, is mostly fat, which I find almost as hard to cut out. I'm not a big sweet-tooth. not putting butter in my sauces as a finisher, not drizzling some olive oil, avoiding deep-fried foods.. it hurts me deep inside :D
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If your gums hurt after eating sugar, you've got other problems to contend with.

There's also nothing wrong with fat. You can't rag on people here for trying supplements and then spread dietary pseudoscience yourself. :lol:
 
I read somewhere that the low-fat thing that happened actually turned out worse for peoples health because the companies took fats out of food and replaced it with sugar which was a lot worse.
 
Yeah, fat is healthy. The healthiest diets in the world do not avoid fat. What they do, though, is enjoy it (along with everything else) in moderation.

There's no reason to completely avoid sugar, either. If you want to go to town on a pint of ice cream after a particularly hard week, you'll be fine as long as you don't make a habit of it. The body can sugar/fat/etc fine in moderate and reasonable amounts. The key is understanding what a "moderate amount" is for each category, as a moderate amount of sugar is not the same as a moderate amount of carbs.
 
Yay psuedoscience!
 
aimeeandbeatles said:
Yay psuedoscience!
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I should specify, @Synsensa, that I don't think all supplements are necessarily bogus all the time. If a doctor is telling you to take something, take it. But this whole idea of taking supplements just because is pseudoscientific and I don't believe there's any evidence that taking supplements without a doctor telling you to is anything but a placebo. In theory you could even posion yourself fooling around with unneeded supplements though I don't believe the amounts that people typically take are dangerous under normal circumstances.
 
Lexicus said:
I should specify, @Synsensa, that I don't think all supplements are necessarily bogus all the time. If a doctor is telling you to take something, take it. But this whole idea of taking supplements just because is pseudoscientific and I don't believe there's any evidence that taking supplements without a doctor telling you to is anything but a placebo. In theory you could even posion yourself fooling around with unneeded supplements though I don't believe the amounts that people typically take are dangerous under normal circumstances.
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Many supplements - those sold by health gurus quacks and the like - are also essentially mystery bottles. You don't even really know what's in them.

If you're going to buy supplements, at least buy them from an actual pharmacy from well known brands, but there is significant overlap between people who swear by supplements and people who follow other fringe theories (anti-vaxxers, mistrust of medical authorities, etc).
 
Don't people sometimes accidentally poison themselves with too much Vitamin A? It's not really water soluable so you don't pee it out.
 
I remember reading about the women who died by drinking too much water for a radio contest.
 
The_J said:
I normally don't take specific dietary advice from anyone, because we just don't know enough about this stuff.
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Not even your doctor???
 
None, sometimes 5000 IU vitamin D. I’ve taken so many supplements and have had so many different routines of them. Probably my most beneficial are mineral complexes and b vitamins.

Edit ooh and l theanine. Good counterbalance to stimulants.
 
Lexicus said:
I should specify, @Synsensa, that I don't think all supplements are necessarily bogus all the time. If a doctor is telling you to take something, take it. But this whole idea of taking supplements just because is pseudoscientific and I don't believe there's any evidence that taking supplements without a doctor telling you to is anything but a placebo. In theory you could even posion yourself fooling around with unneeded supplements though I don't believe the amounts that people typically take are dangerous under normal circumstances.
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Yeah, I am hesitant about Chinese and nootropic supplement quackery. It seems the people who swear by them have a vested interest in convincing others of it.

I just can't truly denigrate people for turning to supplements, especially when prescription medications are often inaccessible or unavailable. There are some things that are outright never valid (homeopathy), but then other things that make you rub your beard for a moment (like rhodiola's effect on anxiety and stress tolerance).

Also, with people with my kind of health problems, if they do manage to get a doctor who's committed to individualized care, you often end up getting recommended to take a cocktail of enzymes, supplements, fundamental chemicals, etc. For example, if you do manage to get diagnosed, officially, with a mitochondrial disease with a capital M, you'll likely be put on what's called a mitochondrial cocktail, which is just a massive dose of supplements at the end of the day. In fact, my current supplement regime as prescribed by a doctor is very close to a mitochondrial cocktail and uses many of the same supplements.

The issue, of course, comes when you can't get a diagnosis, or if your diagnosis isn't completely accurate, or if you simply don't have access to what's needed. You have to be your own advocate, but that doesn't mean others agree or acknowledge what you're experiencing, or accept that it's as bad as you claim. When you have to rely on your own guidance and perspective, you are also in the driver's seat when it comes to treatment and dose. And as vast as the internet is, there's really only so much you can learn about something that complex. So people experiment, or they believe in quack science, or they just take the word of a particularly charismatic snake oil salesman. They're wrong to, but I very much understand why they do it. It's appealing when someone has the answer and all you have to do is follow the instructions. A doctor is meant to play that role, but for many people they never get that experience (or the experience is so wrong that they come to distrust the medical professional).

Narz doesn't really fall into that category, so I don't actually mind Yung calling him out on it, but as a general philosophy I'm not entirely gung-ho about talking down supplements and self-managed medicating.
 
My bovine mitral valve requires that I take a baby aspirin daily.
 
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