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What's going to be the fifth economic civic?

Discussion in 'Civ4 - General Discussions' started by kolpo, Sep 21, 2005.

  1. Willowmound

    Willowmound Wordbug

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    And now you're the poorest country in Scandinavia... "mwahahaha". :cooool:
     
  2. kolpo

    kolpo Warlord

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    Mercantilism sounds interesting. The lack of foreign trade shall lower you money, but the free specialist could be used to raise production(with engineer) and extra production can be very usefull in many situations.

    representation gives +3 science for each specialist, so if you would use Represenation + Mercantilism could you raise production without losing too much science :)

    or for the real "specialist mania": caste system(unlimited specialists) + represenation(+3 science each specialist) + mercanlism(1 free specialist). It is great how many possibilities this civic system opens and it is cool that even unconventional combinations sound viable.
     
  3. KrikkitTwo

    KrikkitTwo Immortal

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    actually certain combinations are favored/unfavored because of the synergy

    Representation gets a bonus from Caste system or Mercantilism (more specialists+better specialists)

    Universal Suffrage and Free Speech get a bonus from Emancipation (faster towns+better towns)

    Hereditary Rule is ineffective with Pacifism (happiness from units v. expensive units)

    Representation also works well with Bureaucracy (happy big cities +productive capital..hopefully one of the big cities=super capital)

    Also Freedom of Religion + Representation (+10% science + extra science per specialist ..unless those Don't compound)
     
  4. kolpo

    kolpo Warlord

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    Yes thought there are a lot of combinations who sound viabele.

    About Hereditary Rule + Pacifism. Pacifism raises the support cost for each military unit BUT I believe that there are also civics who give you a number of free units/city. So if you take a civic with many free units/city + hereditary rule + pacifism could you have a lot of free units who make your people happy, only when you go above your "free unit cap" shall you need to pay the extra cost(if I understand pacifism correctly)
     
  5. KrikkitTwo

    KrikkitTwo Immortal

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    I haven't seen any civics that give unit support. I mean there were in civ 1-3, but Civ 4 might require support for all military units.
    Note: also no evidence of civics that affect war weariness (I'm personally hoping all of them have War weariness, with one or two civics that lower it Maybe Police state...which might also give those free units... which would mean Police State would have a positive synergy with Pacifism...by negating a prt of its penalty (free units are better when units cost more)
     
  6. GarretSidzaka

    GarretSidzaka Deity

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    Bureaucracy
    Castes
    Free Market
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  7. Gazaridis

    Gazaridis Chieftain

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    Serfdom
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    Pacifisim
     
  8. Martinus

    Martinus Emperor

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    Soviet Russia:

    Universal Suffrage
    Free Speech
    Emancipation
    State Property
    Freedom of Religion

    ;)
     
  9. Stratofortress

    Stratofortress Warlord

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  10. Besuchov

    Besuchov Chieftain

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    A third atempt then...

    USSR:
    Police State
    Bureaucracy
    Emancipation (there is a differens between not voting and being a slave...)
    State Property
    Freedom of Religion
     
  11. evil_linus

    evil_linus Chieftain

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    but we have a best soccer and icehockeys teams in Scandinavia! :D
     
  12. elrfag

    elrfag Chieftain

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    :D But how very true it is
     
  13. Ozymandous

    Ozymandous Prince

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    :confused:

    More socialism? So the government can step in and run your life more and/or make you more dependant on it so you have even elss options in your life?

    Umm.. NO! Some of us like the freedom to choose, thank you and I sure as hell don't want my hard earned money paying for someone who doesn't want to go out and bust hump to make a life for themselves, thanks.
     
  14. GarretSidzaka

    GarretSidzaka Deity

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    Hmm, socialism has been puked on in the last, oh, few decades. :vomit: I think that troytheface might be refering to "libertarian" or "liberal" socialism. It is very similar to leftist Marxism, but not to the soviet union. The soviet union was not socialism, it was a labor-army dictatorship. Liberal Socialism is a little closer to anarcho-syndiclism in aim and goal, but just a wee bit less free-form. If you believe in freedom from authoritarianism or being pushed around, and believe in a system where people are first, not corporations and bureaus, you might just be a liberal socialist. I take it a step further, and am a anarcho-syndiclist, after such minds as R. Rocker, Bakunin, and Chomsky. But I might tell people that im a Libertarian socialist. :mischief:

    whew
     
  15. Corvex

    Corvex Emperor of Canada

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    How will the 'decentralized' Economic civic work?
     
  16. Mujadaddy

    Mujadaddy Geheim Grammar Polizei

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    I'm doing my part to contribute to both :king: :eek:
     

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