What's with all the hate?

[eddy34567]

Russia can't possibly be lagging in the Modern age. I mean, look at their UB!

 

[T.A JONES]

Russia can't possibly be lagging in the Modern age. I mean, look at their UB!

lol I think if you mocking Russia'a subrock station you should get it right.

THey were the first to build a great wonder thats all. Say how come Civ dosn't let you build multi billion doller underground nuclear retreats/nerve centers?
WHats the benifit? how bout massive production bonus to your city even after a direct nuke strike.
Or, in civ4's case, after 10000 direct nuke strikes

 

[T.A JONES]

BAck to the point. Take2 sold over 100 000 copies of civ3 in 2007 for educational purposes. Add that with the sales from the consumer base(atleast 10000 copies more ) and that means civ3 probably outsold civ4 in 2007!!

Making a educational civ for the clasroom network with worldwide custumabilty (EX: Norway programers pay take2 to deeped lessons on their history like Canada paid Take 2 to do the the same with their "History Canada" civ3 project

The home version could be sold to scrap up a few hundred thousand copies in sales aswell, but the real money is in educational contracts .

No other game is talked about as being used in the classroom as much as civ3 is(since simcity and Carmen sandiago)
So if civ3 was giving a open source for incresing detail , historical realism and flexabilty to accomplish this, IT would work.
Remember CIv3 could be played on any old computer while new civ versoins can't

MY post above go into much more detail why this would have worked but now this candy version on console gives the teachers who evalute the choice of taking civ to the class more of a mind rot mentaily since its playing on the same system Vice city runs on

 

[Oatse]

So you're saying Firaxis should quit making games and make educational programs instead?

Because it seems like you're getting all steamed up because CivRev is being made as a game instead of a teaching aid.

God forbid they make games for gamers instead of teachers.

 

[Schuesseled]

i agree with you Oatse, for once. We want games, if i wanted a history lesson, i'd get myself a textbook.

 

[T.A JONES]

So you're saying Firaxis should quit making games and make educational programs instead?

Because it seems like you're getting all steamed up because CivRev is being made as a game instead of a teaching aid.

God forbid they make games for gamers instead of teachers.

YA steamed I should not be. Making both would seem to be the key. Now you got a game for the mature student and also the pre schoolers for them to come up on

but ya they could have made a bundle in classroom market and kept integrity of the origanal franchise at hand. NO other game had this oppertunity especially followin history canada collaberation but you would have had to read that Scoolboard's Civ website to have any indication of what promise lays in the project. (100 000 copies man, just sayin )

I'll drop it. Thanks for the response.

 

[Oatse]

I don't Firaxis is currently making a game for Pre Schoolers right now, unless that's another one of those "I need dark and realistic graphics to feel like a mature adult! Anything else is clearly made for kids! E for Everyone doesn't exist!" things that always spring up here.

Civ3's graphics were pretty bright and colorful but I never saw anyone calling it "Civilization: Baby edition". Civ1 and Civ2 are clearly games that didn't take themselves seriously that much (Like the newspapers from Civ1, or the advisers from civ1 and Civ2) but noone calls them kiddie games. Sid Meier's Pirates is more bright and colorful then any of the Civ games (Unless you're playing the black and white 1987 version) yet noone calls it a children's game. The only game they made that actually is dark and mature is SMAC/SMAX.

 

[T.A JONES]

I don't Firaxis is currently making a game for Pre Schoolers right now, unless that's another one of those "I need dark and realistic graphics to feel like a mature adult! Anything else is clearly made for kids! E for Everyone doesn't exist!" things that always spring up here.

Civ3's graphics were pretty bright and colorful but I never saw anyone calling it "Civilization: Baby edition". Civ1 and Civ2 are clearly games that didn't take themselves seriously that much (Like the newspapers from Civ1, or the advisers from civ1 and Civ2) but noone calls them kiddie games. Sid Meier's Pirates is more bright and colorful then any of the Civ games (Unless you're playing the black and white 1987 version) yet noone calls it a children's game. The only game they made that actually is dark and mature is SMAC/SMAX.

WHats it got to do with graphics? I talk of levels in depth in historical accuracy. Sure using better, more graphical represention makes higher grade selection+ realism improvements to org civ3 format but thats something 'preschollers'(Rev fanbs) can't or don't want to comprehend when they play their arcade game

EDucational civ would have more emphisis on raw history simulation still opening the door to making your own reality as before, as long as you learn about the humanitys more as you explore every open door.(add many more open doors)

IS it that unrealistic to see a spruced up civ3 that operates smooth in the classroom average computers?. WHy was Sim earth /sim city given combined million hours across the world in the class? CUz the class liked it and they came out with something. Sceanrios in civ3 are less time then world epics and thats the main tool used in Canadian civ history class designed by 2nd Xpak designer and US mil strategy sim contracter, Take 2.
Each nation can have TAke2 work on their own history plus have the world history random epic come in the box
(this gets sold to world with selrction of other country's history scenarios included ala Conquests) )

Trust me Crazyier business moves have happened and AGain, you havn't seen History canada mod so really no point talkin ta ya . THe sales from that 100 000 add a few more countries all using a stepped up format based on a improved civ3 (more BIC options for realism better and varity) and you have 400 000 copies take it to home front where die hard stratgy fans are eagerly awaiting in depth history sim civ title and off go another 100000 copies.

IT ill never happen I know but so you all see the venture that will not be could turn out costly and had it been expanded on the "Can History", it could have reversed fortunes for the beliguered franchise, for me thats easy to see.

 

[Oatse]

Civ3 isn't that realistic and historically accurate either, Tanks vs Spearmen anyone?

Why do you have to be a pre schooler to enjoy a game because it's fun instead of because of it's educational value?

You're basically proposing that Sid Meier should quit making games and instead make educational software. I'd rather Firaxis make games instead of history teaching software that none of us will ever get to use.

 

[T.A JONES]

You're basically proposing that Sid Meier should quit making games and instead make educational software.

WHat do ya think civ games to date have been? They have been both. Educational and games (this is what teachers say not me..want quotes? read the link I put up)

WHy not take advange of that rep and refine for educational secter. Lots money in that sector up for grab internationally on s renewable basis.
ON the other hand,compared to huge contracts spanning various natiions, you got a one time shot with Not so much room to manouver in overcrowed console market where Firexis has to dumb down your product and tarnish its integrity to fit in with main fan base built up impression of stratgy on the console platform.

Heres whats going on seeing you are in dark
fact you think Civ has no chance to advance in this lucractive sector is laughable. All they had to do was move with the momentuem. Anyway you got what you wanted.
Now Go along and play with your shiney toys

 

[T.A JONES]

Civ3 isn't that realistic and historically accurate either, Tanks vs Spearmen anyone?

I guess you didn't hear the 6 times I mention an improved civ3 format
THe reason I mention civ3 was for it quick pedia links and playabilty n' fast scenario response on large number of computers. Imagine civ4 on the average classroom computer
A reverse engineering route where civ3 model was expanded improved for historic versitlity aproachin unique nationalistic outlines. This, and running better all the while with better graphics for the kids to stay intrested and also it would need to be even easier to modify for teachers conductin online course outlines. (your basic check the box editer approach blown up atleast 25%-35% for flexabilty/realism/ individualsim for each sceanerio integrity )

HOw much this console game cost to advertise? Just add that money to a better editer based on civ3 tech and there ya go, realism through greater flexabilty. Best civ game yet..OH but it not oatmeal! um,,I mean. its not educatinal we promise! lol

Is it better to have enhanced simularity to historic conditions n' eras or is that a bad thing because we learn more thus some say not fun? LIkewise, if its to fun while you learn does that make it a bad learning tool cuz your gaming around? Cmon man. Civ found the balance and they where the candidate who should have blown up the lucrative industy at a time when interactive learing is at a maxime threshold, ripe for the right type of company with the rep for reworking learing with a G8's Country Educational program fresh from the oven to take it to the next level of global distribution in the classroom ..hooked civix

The money is the most lucrative for those who suceed in securing tenders SO how many companies had the same chance? Now to think they choose put out drizzle for the kiddies to rot thier mind n time and instead.

Opportunty cost unbelieble but Hey, a games a game you say. Glad IM not shareholder anyway

 

[Vael]

Those copies of Civ 3 were donated for free... nobody made any money off of them. Doesn't sound like a very good business investment to me, that whole "giving stuff away for no money" thing.

 

[Oatse]

WHat do ya think civ games to date have been? They have been both. Educational and games (this is what teachers say not me..want quotes? read the link I put up)

WHy not take advange of that rep and refine for educational secter. Lots money in that sector up for grab internationally on s renewable basis.
ON the other hand,compared to huge contracts spanning various natiions, you got a one time shot with Not so much room to manouver in overcrowed console market where Firexis has to dumb down your product and tarnish its integrity to fit in with main fan base built up impression of stratgy on the console platform.

Heres whats going on seeing you are in dark
fact you think Civ has no chance to advance in this lucractive sector is laughable. All they had to do was move with the momentuem. Anyway you got what you wanted.
Now Go along and play with your shiney toys

So you're trying to insult me by saying "LOL! Look at him! He wants to play a game to have fun! Go and play with your shiney toys."

You sound like the type of person who doesn't play video games, you sound like the type of person who looks down on those who play video games. What are you even doing here?

 

[T.A JONES]

So you're trying to insult me by saying "LOL! Look at him! He wants to play a game to have fun! Go and play with your shiney toys."

You sound like the type of person who doesn't play video games, you sound like the type of person who looks down on those who play video games. What are you even doing here?

Weird Here I am thinkin your calling me wacked out for thinkin a great game could still be a great learning expierence!
Strange how we perceive is it not?

Sadly everything else you said bout me bullying or hating games can be smacked out and I believe what I stuck with throughout stands as reasonable without a doubt.

They could have come up with a great plan to get in a very valuable market with an improved product for the Civ legacy and improved Ed at for minds of the compter interative generation. INstead they took the easy, even less profitable way i dumbing down Civ to oblivion

IMO of course

 

[T.A JONES]

Those copies of Civ 3 were donated for free... nobody made any money off of them. Doesn't sound like a very good business investment to me, that whole "giving stuff away for no money" thing.

Thats cuz you can't see into the future of stategic intitative, er your not a visionary
THere was a motive. UNless you think the board happened to be drunk at the time n said here have at these 100 000 boxes and begone kiddies

Wierd how BreakAway was invloved with the 1st major educational contract aswell. They did make a nice game before History Canada called Civ 3 Conquests...hmm hundred thou distribution, quality sub contracter, leavin nothing to chance for a prime precedent it seems.

Course We all know things change including CEO's and any visions they had. NOw we have new CEO's and a great console civ!

NAh who me kiddin you guys know everything lol

 

[Oatse]

Do you have any experience in game marketing or economics? Because you sound like a rookie who thinks he has it all figured out. Games made for the sole purpose of education simply don't sell as well as games that are made to be games (Imagine that.) For every Carmen Sandiego there are millions of games like Mario is Missing.

If what you're suggesting was the simple and best way to make profits then don't you think everyone else would of figured it out by now? Hell, the History Channel is making games made solely to educate too, and guess what? They sell like crap and aren't even fun.

But go ahead, berate them for making a game that's meant to be fun instead of trying your REVOLUTIONARY NEW IDEA that has never been tried before, no Sirree!

And for Christs sake quit it with the "Lol console games are dumbed down and kiddy Durr!" stuff!

 

[T.A JONES]

Was Carmen Sandiago sole purpose to educate?. What about sim city or sim Earth? They were in every school in Canada.

Today kids are even more inclined to use computers to learn and even more today they need to be stiimulated with intresting game facets in education process (material)

I gave you examples( to many for what you brought.. whining) of teachers sayin civ3 ..civ3 the old game was a great leaning tool.
SO you say a improved product of this nature wouldn't be a good investment?
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Oh ya, and Rev is kiddie civ, you soother sucker lol...kidding Don't cry now.

 

[Oatse]

Just because something is on a school computer doesn't mean it's only for education. Sim City and Sim Earth were made to be games, some people just use them for education. Think of it like books. Some books are made to educate and some are made for entertainment or to tell a story. Many schools have Lord of the Rings in their school library's, that doesn't make Lord of the Rings an educational book. Some schools have Civ3 on their computer, that doesn't mean Civ3 is made to educate as much as it means some people use it that way, just like the LoTR's example.

Oh ya, and Rev is kiddie civ, you soother sucker lol...kidding Don't cry now.

You have to be some kind of troll, noone is this immature and repulsive.

 

[Swein Forkbeard]

We might as well forget about the whole series entirely if this happens.

 

[Yui108]

Russia stuff

Population is important. Economy is good. Russian population is free fall. Russian Economy is sky dive.