Which Civ would you prefere instead of HRE?

[Bast]

Germany also represents Prussia.

Babylon also represents Sumer.

Holy Roman Empire represents Western Europe before the rise of nations like France and Germanic kingdoms.

I don't mind HRE being in the game, but not Sumer and Prussia.

Austria should be in the game because it played a MAJOR part in European politics from 17th - early 20th centuries.

 

[Gaius Octavius]

I didn't read ur post i just skipped it

Well, you'll have to learn to live with that.

 

[Dutch Canuck]

I say "other". I would have voted for Israel if and only if the civ is designed to start as Ancient Israel with all the wonderful flavour of that kingdom from ancient times.

My second would be a civ from Africa or the Iroquois (changing Sitting Bull to be LH of just the Sioux).

My third choice in lieu of HRE would be Austria.

While I am surprised by the choice of HRE added to the main game, I can live with it as I can always ignore it.

 

[cybrxkhan]

contributed more to advance the cause of civilization than any other, except perhaps the Greeks.

only western civilization, remember... China, India perhaps (there is evidence that Sumer had *some* influence on India), and especially China is at the very least as important as they are...

but the game is "Westerno-centric", so... yea, Sumer is important.

 

[Gaius Octavius]

cybrxkhan, everything you've said only strengthens my argument.

 

[TheLastOne36]

Oh i said is that Sumeria Babylon Hittites An Ottoman leader and a likely Persian leader. That would be to much arabia for one expansion.

 

[cybrxkhan]

cybrxkhan, everything you've said only strengthens my argument.

to civilization in general, i think China is equal to Sumer. to Western Civilization, i think China is equal to Sumer.

but, of course, China is still alive. and Sumer didn't really contribute much of Eastern Civilziation, now did it... *shrugs*

 

[Gaius Octavius]

China is already in the game.
How would you feel if somebody said, "Japan and China are redundant. Let's get rid of China." That's just like Babylon and Sumeria; one grew out of the other, but they're distinct.

As for the Israel/Hittites/Austria issue...

Israel > Austria > Hittites > Poland

 

[cybrxkhan]

How would you feel if somebody said, "Japan and China are redundant. Let's get rid of China." That's just like Babylon and Sumeria; one grew out of the other, but they're distinct.

yea, i see what you mean. you can keep Japan out, but if you take out China, you might as well put in no European or Greco-Roman or Egyptian civs.

you guys know they were actually originally going to put Sumer in the vanilla Civ4? then they screwed the idea... for an expansion!

 

[Onagan]

I would like to have Sweden in.

 

[thadian]

SUMERIA yes! But, Babylon does it fine for me Personally i dont like a lot of the leader per civs. But i accept them, the ones i hate, i just put in as enemies. I dont want to start the ol' israeli-arab debate, but... i wont even say it, you know what i will say, just like having Babylon, Sumer, Assyria, and the Hittites in one game would be a bit much.

 

[azzaman333]

Austria - Was the 32nd Civ for Civ 3, so Firaxis knows they exist. Would've been better than HRE.

Hittites - Another Civ used in Civ 3, which would've been better than the HRE.

Another African Civ - Already Carthage, Mali and Zulu, do we need another for a relatively minor continent?

Polynesia - Considering Native Americans is a civ, a possibilty. Maybe a different civ would be better.

Musings on other civs - Australia or Canada maybe, considering the new colonies feature; splitting Native Americans into Sioux and Iroquois wouldve been better... don't like Poland or Israel as civs, overall I guess stay with Holy Roman Empire.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Another African Civ - Already Carthage, Mali and Zulu, do we need another for a relatively minor continent?

Carthage doesn't count. they were more Middle-Eastern-Medditeranean, descended from the Phoenicians.

and the game is "Westerno-centric", so the addition of something else besides another European or Middle Eastern civ is good. Africa wasn't that minor, some of its civilizations were no more minor than the Khmer, Vietnam, the Hittites...

pretty much most of the choices in the poll are much better than the HRE, anyways.

however, we already know that Firaxis hinted an African civ, likely Ethiopia (though I am hoping for Nubia), so i guess we don't need another African civ.

 

[TheLastOne36]

Africa wasn't minor. it had great empires etc. Same as any other continent well sorta.

 

[Tee Kay]

I would NOT prefer these over the HRE

Austria
Italy
Prussia
Sweden/Denmark
Brazil
Venezuela/Gran Colombia

Any other in the list is fine by me.

 

[Duuk]

Poland
Judea
Austria-Hungary
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The HRE is a terrible choice as a civ, since it is redundant with Germany, France, and the Netherlands.

 

[joza]

the question should be: which nation would you NOT prefer over HRE
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not to many i can think of actually

 

[Vasili Zaitsev]

Whats the big deal about having more from one region than another. The Middle East is the birthplace of civilization and also the crossraods between the East and West. I completely much agree with all of Gaius Octavius's arguements.

 

[ParkCungHee]

The HRE is in? You're kidding! They're not a civilization. Thats like including the third republic.

 

[Vlade Divac]

Any of them...meaning any other civilization in the history of the world. No matter how small and meaningless. I'm thinking even Micronesia, Zanzibar, and Andorra. Yep, even Canada meaningless.

If the HRE was a dude, I'd punch him in the throat....maybe even the groin. I hate the HRE, I wish it would stop taunting us. If Firaxis includes a satisfaction survey, they'd better get ready for a strongly worded letter. I won't stay silent on this....they owe us now. Big time.