Which Civ would you prefere instead of HRE?

Which civ would you prefer nstead of HRE?

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I think it'd be funny to have a Pimp civilization, run by PimpyMicPimp.... if for no other reason than it'd be really funny to hover the mouse over a city tile and see "100% Pimp."

:joke:
 
but what set it apart from civs like Poland or Austria is Charlemagne. He certainly should be in the game and he doesn't fit Germany or France.
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Then Venezuela would be in because of Simon Bolivar!
 
TheLastOne36 said:
Then Venezuela would be in because of Simon Bolivar!
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While Simon Bolivar is an interesting leader did he ever succeed in actually creating a nation or leading one for a reasonable amount of time? Didn't he only lead several independence movements, but not one specific nation? I'm not an expert in South-American history or politics so please enlighten me if I am wrong. :)

EDIT: Also it seems hard to pinpoint him to one specific nation. I mean William of Orange obviously never lead The Netherlands, but at least his family did and his work did lead to a nation. But, Bolivar, can be linked to various nations can he not?
 
ac196nataku said:
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Austria Very important country back in the day. While admittedly, the Austrian populace is very similar to the Germans (hell, I don't even consider them to be different peoples), their empires (or the German's lack of) were different. It's worth arguing on whether or not you would include -Hungary as that was more important and made A-H a world power pre-WW1, but the Hungarians were of slavic descent and a very different people, complete with their own monarch. Do you represent them in unity at the height of their power and glory? Or do you represent them seperately?
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Just a nitpick: the Hungarians are not Slavs. They speak a Fenno-Ugric language.
 
Holy Roman Empire? So, in one game there'll be Germany AND Rome. The Roman people and Holy Roman people? Oh dear...

Let's have the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. No no no, you see, the civ in the game is ENGLAND. That hasn't been a country for hundreds of years. There is no British or UK civilization in the game; therefore we should add it, even though it takes the same territory as the original England civ.

We should also have the Third Reich. Also the Weimar Republic. They are not Germany. Also Prussia. We should also have the Soviet Union, since that was different from Russia.

While the Holy Roman Empire was significant, I don't think it should be in. First of all, it occupies where Germany historically is (that's why I'm like, we should have the Soviet Union, the UK etc.). Also, it has almost the exactly same name as another civ! In the game there would be Roman Empire, and Holy Roman Empire...just...gah
 
sneaky said:
While Simon Bolivar is an interesting leader did he ever succeed in actually creating a nation or leading one for a reasonable amount of time? Didn't he only lead several independence movements, but not one specific nation? I'm not an expert in South-American history or politics so please enlighten me if I am wrong. :)

EDIT: Also it seems hard to pinpoint him to one specific nation. I mean William of Orange obviously never lead The Netherlands, but at least his family did and his work did lead to a nation. But, Bolivar, can be linked to various nations can he not?
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He would of but he died young.

And Venezuela was were he was born, and back the Venezuela was the most powerful.
 
Seriphyn said:
Holy Roman Empire? So, in one game there'll be Germany AND Rome. The Roman people and Holy Roman people? Oh dear...

Let's have the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. No no no, you see, the civ in the game is ENGLAND. That hasn't been a country for hundreds of years. There is no British or UK civilization in the game; therefore we should add it, even though it takes the same territory as the original England civ.

We should also have the Third Reich. Also the Weimar Republic. They are not Germany. Also Prussia. We should also have the Soviet Union, since that was different from Russia.

While the Holy Roman Empire was significant, I don't think it should be in. First of all, it occupies where Germany historically is (that's why I'm like, we should have the Soviet Union, the UK etc.). Also, it has almost the exactly same name as another civ! In the game there would be Roman Empire, and Holy Roman Empire...just...gah
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I agree 100% with this guy.. having the Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire is stupid.. I'll have to mod one of them into Italy or something.. but even then it's still not good having Rome and Italy in the same game.

Anyway the point is that this was a bad decision by Firaxis.
 
I'm not hot and bothered by this issue. However, reading through this thread and others, it appears as though Firaxis may have added HRE because they wanted the leader in. I'd say that is not a very good reason.

What Firaxis could have done (and what modders should be able to do) is create leaders that aren't assigned to any particular civ. Since in BtS one can play any civ with any leader, Charlemagne could be played as Germany, France or whatever civ suits your fancy. The same goes for some other leaders that don't fit exactly with the civs as they are defined in the game.
 
I would've preferred just about anything. Even Canada. At least Canada is a coherent identity and there are definable Canadians. There was never such a thing as a "Holy Roman"...
 
We now have 34 civilizations. I can easily think 11 civilizations that could still be added without being ridiculous. These are not all known or valued in west (=US/UK), but they would deserve more respect.

1. Assyria
2. Hittites
3. Maoris/polynesians (that area has no representation in the game)
4. Huns (Mongols are in the game, so why not huns. Attila would be cool leader)
5. Poland
6. Dacia
7. Kingdom of Kongo
8. Scythians / sarmatians
9. Austria
10. Mapuche/Araucanians (South America deserves more representation )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mapuche
11. Hungarians

And yes. I think every one of them would have been better than HRE.
 
I don't know about Huns, The seem like there represented by Mongols to me.

And why didn't i think about Assyria?
 
i can see why a lot of people (like me) are angry, because they put the HRE in place of other more deserving civs. thats too bad. maybe no Pho this time, Civ. :(
 
Seriphyn said:
Holy Roman Empire? So, in one game there'll be Germany AND Rome. The Roman people and Holy Roman people? Oh dear...

Let's have the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. No no no, you see, the civ in the game is ENGLAND. That hasn't been a country for hundreds of years. There is no British or UK civilization in the game; therefore we should add it, even though it takes the same territory as the original England civ.

We should also have the Third Reich. Also the Weimar Republic. They are not Germany. Also Prussia. We should also have the Soviet Union, since that was different from Russia.

While the Holy Roman Empire was significant, I don't think it should be in. First of all, it occupies where Germany historically is (that's why I'm like, we should have the Soviet Union, the UK etc.). Also, it has almost the exactly same name as another civ! In the game there would be Roman Empire, and Holy Roman Empire...just...gah
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Well, Firaxis wants Elizabeth I in as a game leader and it wouldn't be historically correct if she led "Great Britain" or the "United Kingdom". So that's why that civilization is England and not Britain.
 
I think most people are interested in REGIONAL representation. That's why most people don't want HRE because they feel it is already represented by the presence of France and Germany.

I don't mind it because I know that it occupied more than France and German and included northern Italy and the Low Countries. But I can see why people will be pissed off.

Personally, I think the inclusion of Austria or Israel or another regional power would be more appropriate.

But whatever.
 
Considering that HRE is winning, with the next most popular choice having just over half the amount of votes as HRE has, it was obvious a popular request which is why Firaxis chose it. And since HRE is on the bottom it
is probably less noticable, so who knows maybe more people would have voted for it.

Imagine how many more people would be angry if they chose one of the other civs. Now if people would actually agree on an alternative to HRE...
 
NYHunter said:
Considering that HRE is winning, with the next most popular choice having just over half the amount of votes as HRE has, it was obvious a popular request which is why Firaxis chose it. And since HRE is on the bottom it
is probably less noticable, so who knows maybe more people would have voted for it.

Imagine how many more people would be angry if they chose one of the other civs. Now if people would actually agree on an alternative to HRE...
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How do you figure? I see 136 votes for everything but HRE, and 44 for it. Seems to me people simple want ANYTHING else...
 
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