While We Wait: Writer's Block & Other Lame Excuses

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Luckymoose said:
The main mistake people have about evolution is they think it replaces a creator being. Evolution is not the same thing as biopoiesis.
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Yep, after years and years of talking with my mum (black people are incredibly socially conservative—were it a few years ago and my family were white many of them probably would support Rick Santorum) I finally got her to reach a compromise about evolution. She now believes that God was the catalyst for evolution and that God just kind of sat back and lol'd as he saw us emerge from tree shrews.
 
Yeah, and that's reasonable sure. If you can get around that then you can build a reasonable christian. But after enough time in the Bible belt I've run into more than a few people who are just upset that it contradicts the literally true account passed down from Moses.

And I mean, I don't have any problem with the idea of God. I am an actual theist. But that level of it (and, forgive me, I also happen to have been raised by literal creationists and perhaps spent too much time around their literal creationist friends) just strikes me as incredible. It's like, I see people like that and wonder if they believe everything their parents told them.
 
nutranurse said:
I highly doubt that the very vocal conservative elements of America would allow for standardized tests such as the ACT's or SAT's to include tests on evolution. It would be too unchristian.
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My question stems from, I thought this was for all standardized tests. Not the ACT or SAT. State standardized tests would include science standardized tests. How can they test for an understanding of scientific principles and concepts if they can't mention them?
 
This is OT, in a sense.

Unless WWWBOLE has a topic now.

tuxedohamm said:
My question stems from, I thought this was for all standardized tests. Not the ACT or SAT. State standardized tests would include science standardized tests. How can they test for an understanding of scientific principles and concepts if they can't mention them?
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Didn't you hear? They're also trying to teach creationism/outright cut evolution in some state classrooms.
 
Wisconsin, home of the workers union. Also religion in classroom.

Also, this is the assorted discussions thread. Don't kick us out :0
 
Get over it, people. The nation needs to get its forklift drivers SOMEWHERE.

Stupid people are actually economically essential.

This brings me to another point regarding education: Not every American NEEDS to know or care about evolution. The arch-frilled Peruvian puffin doesn't give a **** about evolution, and it still happens.

Children should be monitored closely and then shunted into specialist educational tracks by the age of 15 depending on what their abilities (or lack thereof) are. Thus allowing us to spend limited vocational resources on the smart ones.
 
SouthernKing said:
This annoys me to no end, especially because those who say this are completely missing the definition of "theory"
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The same people don't understand that a scientific theory is one that is purported to be fact and is highly regarded as truth among the scientific community. One does have a theory become a scientific theory without it going under rigorous testing or thought first.
 
Thlayli said:
Get over it, people. The nation needs to get its forklift drivers SOMEWHERE.

Stupid people are actually economically essential.
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How do explain the numerous prominent businessmen who share these views? Now while I find the idea of refusing to acknowledge the viability of evolution and the knee-jerk reaction to everything "unchristian" (read: things you don't like), it would be somewhat unfair to label these people as stupid. Religion does not necessarily hamper advancement/intelligence: for instance I was Mormon for a very long time, and that's one of the zanier faiths out there. :p
 
Well a lot of it has to do with upbringing, Thlayli. Simply calling these people stupid and moving on makes us no better than them; worse yet it avoids the issue in favor of patting us 'smart-folk' on the back.

Also Middle America wants nothing to do with dirty papists. :mad: (For realz, though, Catholicism is pretty damn forward and liberal compared to many of the protestant-splinter-faiths that are popular in America).
 
nutranurse said:
This is OT, in a sense.

Unless WWWBOLE has a topic now.



Didn't you hear? They're also trying to teach creationism/outright cut evolution in some state classrooms.
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Yeah I know. I get news updates from NCSE about it all the time. I'm observing at a school right now where the teacher I'm watching told me that there is another science teacher that will not discuss evolution in her 7th grade science class which state standards require she teach, but the standardized test results from the other 7th grade classrooms keep the overall scores up in science and the teacher's seniority/tenture make it easier for the school to just wait for her to retire instead of firing her for not doing her job.
 
Hahaha, really? Holy poop (which is the problem here), that's ridiculous.
 
nutranurse said:
Well a lot of it has to do with upbringing, Thlayli. Simply calling these people stupid and moving on makes us no better than them; worse yet it avoids the issue in favor of patting us 'smart-folk' on the back.

Also Middle America wants nothing to do with dirty papists. :mad: (For realz, though, Catholicism is pretty damn forward and liberal compared to many of the protestant-splinter-faiths that are popular in America).
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So your solution to getting rid of public stupidity is tolerating it? Or glossing it over with political correctness? That seems to be the status quo approach. :p

Keep in mind, I'm a conservative and an openly practicing Christian. Maybe that's why I'm not against excoriating those of my brethren that give our political ideology (and religion) a bad name.
 
Thlayli said:
So your solution to getting rid of public stupidity is tolerating it? Or glossing it over with political correctness? That seems to be the status quo approach. :p

Keep in mind, I'm a conservative and an openly practicing Christian. Maybe that's why I'm not against excoriating those of my brethren that give our political ideology (and religion) a bad name.
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No, I didn't propose a solution because I'm a useless fart. I was just pointing out admonishing them, while fun and, well, fairly appropriate, only propagates the us vs them mentality.
 
Impressive. I didn't know that science fairs gave out 100k.
 
Well now you're just baiting me. :p
 
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