Who is working on HOF attempts w/o threads?

I sort of tried one, though it won't qualify. I noticed a few openings in C3C Diety level, and thought I might put a score of my own up, even if only temporarily. I noticed the bottom score had won domination as Persia, and that seemed like a fine idea to me, unless conquest came first. So I think I selected pangaea, 80% water, 3 million years old, sedentary barbs (I don't know why I didn't turn them off), three random oppenents, and my HoF attempt was underway.

Actually, I did this three times before the game I actually used was started. I got a tundra start, I had the Vikings and the Germans as neighbors and decided that was a bad idea, especially when I got archer/warrior stacks moving through my territory. And then I had no visible source of iron in one.

When I finally made it to the map that I used, I couldn't believe my eyes. I had gems and spices inside my expansion boundary, and a goody hut inside the city radius. Founded Persepolis, and got a map, showing wines to the south and silks to the north. I was going to easily have four luxuries, with my first three cities. My original build order was warrior, barracks, settler, then I did warrior, warrior, spearman, settler (no food bonuses, or fresh water for that matter). I was expanding fairly quickly, and before long I was running into the French to the north. We raced for dyes on a lake, and I won, and apparently that didn't sit well with Joan. So I get hit by a lone regular warrior, who dies at the hands of a veteran spearman. Having recently hooked up iron, I upgraded six warriors immediately and set all cities building immortals or workers.

The French too had recently hooked up iron, and this is where I ran into trouble, and why I will not be able to submit this game, I think. My immortals ran north to stamp on the warriors and archers attacking Arbela, with the next stop in Tours. On a hill outside of Tours, my now seven veteran immortals ran into four swordsmen and an archer on a hill. I brought the spearman out of Arbela, since there was a replacement coming next turn, to defend my immortals. All four swordsmen attack, and all four win, one without taking damage. The archer, at least, died, but four swordsmen winning in a row, when I had an extra hit point, was tough to take. France also brought another sworsmen to the stack, putting the numbers at two undamaged French regulars and three others, with varying health, against four undamaged veteran immortals. I decide to at least even up the losses, expecting an attack of 4 to beat defense of 3, if 3 had beaten 3 minutes ago. I was wrong, and lost my first two immortals. When the RNG does this, the game isn't fun, and it was late, so I decided to quit. Apparently, I forgot to save, and when I reloaded the next day, I was surprised to see six healthy immortals on their way to Arbela. This forced me to make a choice. Should I load an autosave and send my immortals to their death, possibly making it so I wouldn't even win my HoF attempt, or play on as if this was the way it was supposed to be, and give myself a shot of at least surviving (I am only really monarch level player, so I basically skipped two levels to play C3C diety). I decided to go for survival, and when the time came to send my immortals to that hilltop to die, I decided to hold them in Arbela and wait for the two other immortals on their way.

This post is getting lengthy (for me), and I am not much of a storyteller, so I will summarize events as they happened after I disqualified myself. I captured Tours and Rheims, and burnt Orleans, then made peace and demanded all techs. At this point, I wasn't sure if there was another civ to France's north, so I waited the twenty turns, invaded again, and discovered there was nothing to their north. I capture all but Paris and Lyons, made peace to get a few more techs. THen, I gave them all the luxuries I had and a lot of gold to get a few more techs, though for some reason I couldn't get them to give me all that much. I immediately invaded again, took Paris and Lyons (as well as the MoM, ToA, SoZ, and Great Wall), and France was no more.

I began working on infrastructure some, and galleys to explore, since I still had two undiscovered neighbors, despite choosing pangaea. Fairly quickly, I found Portugal and India, who apparently had been fighting. I didn't notice, unfortunately, a two tile wide strip of sea, that allowed safe passage to Portugal. So I tried to move towards Astronomy as quickly as I could, with little success. I was pleased though to build the Sistine Chapel, after using the Great Library as a prebuild (building the Great Library would have gotten me only Education at that point). Soon after, galleys from distant lands were doing a lot of traveling within Persian waters, taking advantage of RoPs. Then, a few War Elephants came to visit. I sent Ancient Cavalry and the immortal army I had built during the Franco-Persian war as a welcoming party, and upgraded a few spearman to pikeman. My precautions proved valuable, as two war elephants died and another retreated, only to be killed by my Ancient Cavalry. Strangely enough, a long Portuguese archer dropped by, and I found my self in wars of defense against the only two other civs.

It was right before this point that I discovered the safe route to Portugal. So I loaded up a few galleys with immortals and Ancient Cavalry, and my presence known to King Henry. The Portuguese were weak, and fell quicky, but managed to give me a Great Leader as their last gift to the world. I decided not to use it, however, as I saw that I was near the domination limit. I made peace with India, and now I am irrigating wherever possible, because despite India's small size, all her cities are above 10, while most of mine are just getting past 6, so 36% of the population is Indian. Though I won't be able to submit, I am happy to have won (I guess I haven't quite won yet, still need 2%), and should get in the 7000 range, which will replace the 5600 hundred I got a week ago as the Iroquis on Monarch. And I should be able to do it again, at least, though the map may not be as nice. After defeating France, I had all 8 luxuries on my medium sized continent, while India and Portugal had none. I also had an abundance of horses and iron. The only thing missing was an early accessible freshwater source, but I don't think it made too much of a difference.

One final note on reloading. Most of the time, I do consider it unfair, but when an attack that should be successful about 5% of the time is immediately followed up by defense that should be successful about 15% of the time, putting the total odds under 1%, it is hard to think that the RNG is fair.
 
I'll do an independant thread when I have details and sufficient progress, but I just wanted to drop a note in that I'm currently active on Deity...
 
One of these days I'll try and figure out why I do better as the Dutch than as the Mayans....my current game is going good enough that I've shelved my GTA: Vice City CD...
 
superslug said:
One of these days I'll try and figure out why I do better as the Dutch than as the Mayans....my current game is going good enough that I've shelved my GTA: Vice City CD...

I don't think I've played that since getting Conquests. I don't think I have played any other game since getting Conquests.
 
Currently working on an attempt at Emperor Huge since that it is one of the weakest charts. I haven't played it in about a week though as its very time consuming. I have about 70-80 towns, 90 workers, 120 warriors, 1 javelin and 25 settlers. I still have room up north for another 40-50 cities. This is in 10AD. I'm in monarchy. I drew 8 turns of anarchy which really sucked. I've got two luxs hooked up and I should be able to trade for a third when I build a harbour.
My research rate is poor. I haven't had any SGLs. So no pyramids or ToA. Building upkeep - granaries, temples and rax. Plus unit upkeep costs are killing me even though I'm in monarchy. No golden age so far. Will wait to trip it once FP is built. I will try and play it out but it looks like I'm heading for an economic crash. My units have doubled in the last 40 turns and look like doubling again in the next twenty. I may have disband lots of my MPs to keep solvent.

Maya. Wet.Warm.5billion. Dom.Limit ~4400. archipelago.
 
Just a post to let everyone know my RL has settled down somewhat (I moved to a differnt town, well, back to my hometown actually. I finished college and I started a new job), so now I'm back to playing more than one civ-game a month. Besides the COTM I'm looking towards the HoF again... :D

So look out no.1 scores, 'cause I'm back! :lol: j/k
 
I dediced to give HOF a try. Mapfinder won't work as I want. I do it in hard way. After 40-50 manual restarts I found a good map with 2 wheats, 1 cattle and a river.

Settings
Civ: the Maya
Game level: Monarch
Huge / Archipelago / warm / wet / 5 billion
8 scientific AI's
Domination limit: 4354 tiles


10AD - Around this time the GA comes to end. In GA I built in core cities a library, university and Marketplace. In 510 BC I completed The Pyramids and In 50 BC JS Bach's Cathedral. I have 124 cities.

560AD - I have all necessarily techs. (Replaceable Parts and Sanitation).
8 Luxuries. 7 Own, 1 traded.
I have destroyed 4 civs, another four left.
Land area 36%. 250 cities.
Score wise I'm 1700 points ahead on Drazek's top score.

I'm optimistic I can break 40k.
 
I have submitted Monarch game already :)

At best I was ahead 5000 points on Drazek's score. In the end it was 4000 points. Final Firaxis score 41453.

In 1000AD I had irrigated and railroaded all worked tiles. In that date I had also cities were I wanted. I think 600 workers is enough even on huge map. (450 native and 150 slaves)

Code:
Date   -  Score   -   spt   -   Cities
1000BC    454         +13         31
10AD      1447        +39         100 
500AD     3506        +74         209
750AD     6181        +126        390
1000AD    9980        +168        439
1500AD    21893       +141        438
1800AD    30489       +93         438
2050AD    41453       +42         438

I really enjoyed it. I try Sid in next attempt :D
 
Just trying for a fastest 100k finish.

The set up

Standard map, 4 opponents, selected as the English, Greece, India, and Korea (no expansionist, agricultural or military, and selecting lower agression if poss)

Playing sumeria (agri for fast growth, sci for cheap libraries)

Strategy: expand fast get the ToA and grow like fun

After quite a few manual starts I struck gold. I started when I had a cow and some flood plains. Once I planted my city I saw THREE wheat (2 on flood plains!) which would be available on expansion. So knew I had to give it a go. My luck was certainly in. In 1425BC I completed the republic slingshot, and Got a scientific leader! It is arguable whether I should have got the pyramids (I didin't think of this at the time) but I saved it for the ToA and so had the ToA by 1150BC. Only 14 cities by 1000BC, and I overbuilt the military somewhat, but we will see how it goes from there.
 
I think I got 38,490 at Monarch level but that was so long ago (Sept) I can't remember if that was my final score. I'm presently working at Regent micromanaging every move.. I should be done in a couple of years.
 
I experimented with an idea on early victories... Play as the Aztecs, get a flat, tiny Pangaea map and build a bunch of Jaguar Warriors. If I perfect this I could make it into a HoF game but I have only gotten to 6705 points so far (Warlord level- get this to Monarch at least without sacrificing time and I could be onto something, 13410 if I won at the same date.) At least it's my fastest victory at 1250 BC.

I'm also playing as the Celts, trying to get a 100k culture win. Just a huge map and lots of expansion.
Update: Won on Regent as the Aztecs, 950 BC. Got a score of 9135, on to Monarch!
Update 2: One more Regent game for me... victory 1990 BC :eek: . That means... 11983 points. And it only took me 16 minutes!
Update 3: Monarch now... 1910 BC win meaning 15946 points. On to Emperor!
Update 4: Emperor game complete! 1175 BC win, 16062 points!
 
viper275 said:
I experimented with an idea on early victories... Play as the Aztecs, get a flat, tiny Pangaea map and build a bunch of Jaguar Warriors. If I perfect this I could make it into a HoF game but I have only gotten to 6705 points so far (Warlord level- get this to Monarch at least without sacrificing time and I could be onto something, 13410 if I won at the same date.) At least it's my fastest victory at 1250 BC.

I'm also playing as the Celts, trying to get a 100k culture win. Just a huge map and lots of expansion.

Check out boogaboo's thread on the first page of this forum.
 
viper275 said:
I experimented with an idea on early victories... Play as the Aztecs, get a flat, tiny Pangaea map and build a bunch of Jaguar Warriors. If I perfect this I could make it into a HoF game but I have only gotten to 6705 points so far (Warlord level- get this to Monarch at least without sacrificing time and I could be onto something, 13410 if I won at the same date.) At least it's my fastest victory at 1250 BC.

I'm also playing as the Celts, trying to get a 100k culture win. Just a huge map and lots of expansion.

Remember that you'll need 160k on a huge map.
 
I am running Civ 3 Gold PTW (no C3C for me). I'm trying out some attempts at 100K fastest finish on Warlord and a Tiny Map. Pangaea, Wet, Normal, 80% Land. Mapfinder will now work for me, so I'm going to set it to look for some 2 cow + lux starts. I was using Babylon for the cheap culture buildings with Russia and Korea (Scientific with late UUs). I was hoping that Expansionist Russia would find me quickly enough to get Pottery. At Warlord level I was so far ahead tech wise that it wasn't worth gifting them forward. I am now looking at going with a Religous/Expansionist instead. Probably Iroqoius. Most domination limits come up around 620 tiles.

My 1st attempt with Babylon was going great. I got a 3500BC settler from popping hut and I was able to declare war and walk into an empty size 1 city for a little pointy stick research and caught a settler also. By 1000BC I had a really nice little empire going with many cities with temples and libraries (pop rushed some temples as I reached size 2). The top 5 cities in the world were all mine. I had just entered a wonder induced golden age. Then I read the submission guidelines. I looked an I did not have the 4000BC save as I had moved the settler once and then settled and saved. I had to through out that game.

Current attempt is going nicely. 1 cow in start, but a game and wheat in expanded territory. Its around 2000BC. I have a tech lead. I have 5 native cities and one that the Russians gave me for peace. Russia has just 1 city now and Korea has 3.

I am now setting mapfinder to look for the Iroquois starts, but I need to fine tune who my competitors are. Right now I have Korea and Ottomans. I don't think Scientific is all that needed as noted above. I also don't want expansionist as I want to grab the Goodie Huts myself. I guess that comercial would be decent to get some GPT deals later. I want to keep my competition weak and I want to avoid AA UUs. Any suggestions on what civs I should pick?
 
Moth,

Though I'm pretty new at the HOF, I did spend a little time on which AI I want to face (though from the C3C set) and based on your criteria (no expansionists), India, Spain, Korea and France would be my choices.

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For those interested, I guess this is where I should have posted my agenda.

I trying for a histograph win with the Mayans at Chieftain on a large continents map with 6 opponents.
 
I have never played a 100K fastest finish.
My guess though is that It would somehow building the most cities possible then the ToA and Libraries, so that maybe being religious is not really needed?

Maybe somebody knows better
 
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