Who should Kubli Khan go to?

[The Navy Seal]

I was reading the other day about the Mongolians and it said that Kubli Khan considered himself a Chinese emporer that ruled Mongolia and because he thought this he changed where the capital city was from Karakorum to Beijing china. I don't know if he should be a Mongolian leader or a Chinese leader. I'm not sure but should he be a Mongol leader just because he's related to Genghis Khan?

 

[bovinespy]

The Yuan dynasty initiated by Kublai was Mongol in ethnicity. Han Chinese resumed control in 1368 with the Ming Dynasty (then lost it to Manchurians in 1644).

 

[Öjevind Lång]

With time, the Mongols in China were culturally assimilated to a great extent (despite official attempts to keep this from happening), but they were never accepted as Chinese by the real Chinese. Once they had gone soft and the Chinese had recovered a bit from their terror (and from the slaughter of up to 50 million Chinese), they rebelled and masscred or threw out all the Mongols.

 

[intj_rational]

Kublai Khan is born a Mongolian but he was the one who conquered China and established the Yuan Dynasty. Like the Manchurians, they had to stop living as nomads and settle down in order to take a firm grip on such a large country. Eventually, both were assimilated. Futhermore, just like Öjevind Lång mentioned, the Mongolians were never accepted by the Chinese as their own brethren and the Mongolians despised the Chinese as they did not display as much physical prowress in combat.

On a side note, most Chinese at that time disliked the Mongol's rule and even now, I dont think many Chinese identify with Kublai Khan.

 

[sylvanllewelyn]

The Chinese despised him, but still considered the Yuan DYNASTY to be a Chinese one, but by a foreigner. The contridiction boils down to this: he was culturally Chinese enough to be an emperor and bad enough to be considered a tyrant, but do note that the Chinese had much higher expectations from their emperors, so he could've been a good king elsewhere.

 

[Scaramanga]

In the civlopedia it says Mehmed II considered himself Roman Emperor because he conquered the Byzantines. Does that make him a Roman leader?

 

[Bast]

In the civlopedia it says Mehmed II considered himself Roman Emperor because he conquered the Byzantines. Does that make him a Roman leader?

Of course not.

 

[Scaramanga]

Of course not.

Yeah, I know, I was just relating the topic of the thread to another situation. I find the idea of Kublai Khan as a Chinese leader weak myself.

 

[The Navy Seal]

Well he basicly was a chinese leader.

 

[botur2young]

No, he was a Mongol leader at a time when the Mongols controlled China.

 

[The Navy Seal]

That makes him a Monina leader.

 

[Kiefer]

Real funny.

...if anything, he'd be a Chinolia leader.