Who was the most evil man in history?

[Prometheus1992]

adolph hitler, by a long run

 

[Adler17]

Zaardnaar, I read a good article in Der Spiegel a few weeks ago about the book and the backgorunds.

Adler

 

[Zardnaar]

Adler Mao made Stalin and Hitler look like Angels in comparison. Amazing that someone didn't manage to off the bastard.

 

[Phyr_Negator]

Zardnaar it is IMPOSSIBLE to cremate humans in pits. none presented that mountains of ash(wich should be due to that number of cremated). And yes, you'll be surprised, but revisionists CAN deny that 5.5 megajews died in camps. To begin with - cremation chamber can't work 24 hours, after 12 hours they MUST be cleaned from inside. And mention supplies needed for supposed burning and time of cremation - approx 1.5-2 hours per one body.
And again can you answer why ti persecute scientists if there is nothing to fear if uncovered?

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Hard choice.

I vote for Pol Pot. Going this rabid against his own people, killing approx. 25% of them during a decade, unbelievable.

Why are Bush, Kerry, Chrushchov and Saddam on this list??

And Holocaust revisionism is just disgusting. I have spoken to witnesses, seen films, visited Dachau, Auschwitz-Birkenau and Mauthausen. It was real, the evidence is overwhelming. There are more than enough protocols and documents from the Nazis because they were very organised and buerocratic when it comes to their atrocities.
:thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown for revisionists

 

[wit>trope]

Historical revisionism is respected in literally every area of history except the Holocaust. Historical revisionism is done with respect to every major area of history (including events thought by many to be tragic like the Inquisitions) except the Holocaust. One can't say that the mainstream community is being dispassionate and disinterested in their history. There's obviously a peculiar bias when it comes to the Holocaust; it is "radioactive" just like the subject of black people is "radioactive" (make a joke about French people it's OK; make a joke about Nigerians and it's not OK) -- I am borrowing "radioactive" terminology from Fox News program host.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

It is denying and relativating one of the most disgusting crimes against humanity committed by a "civilised" country with an overwhelming evidence. There are documentation archives where historicans are still collecting and evaluating data concerning the holocaust. Revisionists in the sense the word is used here are Neo-Nazis trying to relativate these atrocities to make their disgusting ideology more appealing for new recruits. There is more than enough evidence to find in the net for those who have doubts.

 

[nonconformist]

The revisionism I can see here is disgusting.
The Holocaust DID happen, 12 million people DID die.
To deny that, you have to be one sick bastard.

 

[Phyr_Negator]

12 already? Why not 24)? I found it more disgusting to cover someone's interests with memory of soldiers, shouting something like "How can you even think that Holocaust not happened! Think about millions of your ancestors who fought that terrible war!" etc. Apparently, most of Holocaust believers just don't want to listen to revisionists.
Edit: I've used bad formulations - better say in this topic Holocaust revisionism, not historical revisionism, cuz whole historical revisionism is just analizing historical events with help of modern science, just Holocaust rev-m is the most famous example.

 

[nonconformist]

We know the Holocause happened, we know 12 million peoiple died.
How do we know?
THE NAZIS KEPT METICULOUS RECORDS OF EVERY SINGLE ACTION THEY TOOK AGAINST EVERYONE.
A number of these are missing, because in the final days of the Reich, they burned the records.
IT HAPPENED. THE RECORDS AT GESTAPO, SS, AND NSDAP HEADQUARTERS SHOW IT.
TO DENY IT IS AN IDIOCY, OR A CRUELTY.

 

[TheDervish]

The revisionism I can see here is disgusting.
The Holocaust DID happen, 12 million people DID die.
To deny that, you have to be one sick bastard.

To see the camps on History channel versus actually going to a real one in Poland, are two different experiences entirely. Very heavy indeed ...

 

[Fifty]

in my opinion the most evil person in history is impossible to determine. There are tons of people sadistic enough to commit genocide, and it is probably (i say probably because I personally have never committed genocide!) easier to hide behind the fact that you aren't the person who is physically doing the killing. It makes you beleive you are just promoting an ideology, as opposed to mass murdering.

The most evil people in the world are the people who serial kill and torture and rape kids, taunt the parents/relatives of the victim, express no remorse. The people who brag about the details of the killing in the court room just to emotionally shatter the parents/relatives. I for one think it would be easier to issue an order to go kill 1000, or 10000, or 1000000 people than it would be to physically rape and torture and kill a child, and brag about it/taunt the parents.

 

[Phyr_Negator]

nonconformist well, I tried not to mention nazi documents' info cuz some can say they were faked...but most of them stating that fuel supplies of camps like Auszwitz-Birkenau from 1 march to october 25(1943) was 641.5 tonnes(coke). According to that nazi documents during that time from various causes died 27300 people. For first number crematory consumption per body will be 23.5kg that fits furnace demands. But according to Holocaust believers during that time 145600 people were killed by gas. That'll be 4.4kg per body wich simly cannot be due to technical charactristics of furnace. Still none answered why Cyclon-B was "used"(in case Holocaust took place) to kill people instead of other gases wich nazi germany posessed in large numbers. What about documents regarding time to air chamber from Cyclon-B? Where documents about gas cameras' design? What about "Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities During the Second World War" wich never mentioned gas cameras, mass killings(very harsh envirovment of camps and high death rate - yes, but not genocide), but stated that during 1945 terrible epidemics of typhys erupted in camps(volume 1, page 204). I can continue about that nazi documents that described all horrors of human extinction)))

 

[Mr. Blonde]

@Phyr_Negator and Cierdan

Oh yeah. Because most poeple in concentration camps died of typhus and starving and not of gas chambers and crematories proves the Holocaust was bogus

Get it straight: These camps were death camps, the Nazis only tried to get the maximum of work out of these people before they starved to death.

Numbers of the Jewish, Sinti and Romanese population before WW2, after WW2 and the numbers of emigrants are known, what in your opinion happened to the missing ones??

 

[Phyr_Negator]

These camps were death camps, the Nazis only tried to get the maximum of work out of these people before they starved to death.

And who denied that?

Numbers of the Jewish, Sinti and Romanese population before WW2, after WW2 and the numbers of emigrants are known, what in your opinion happened to the missing ones??

Please tell them if they are "known"! Especially numbers of emigrants.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

And who denied that?

(in case Holocaust took place)

You, the post before

(very harsh envirovment of camps and high death rate - yes, but not genocide)

It is not genocide for you putting people because of their origin in deathcamps, killing many actively and letting the rest intentionally starve???

you can get numbers from http://www.yadvashem.org (and many other sources)
Germany and Austria actively searched for survivors and exiles because of holocaust and disposession reparations. This happened in civilised countries that kept records of its citizens, you know.

 

[wit>trope]

@Phyr_Negator and Cierdan

Oh yeah. Because most poeple in concentration camps died of typhus and starving and not of gas chambers and crematories proves the Holocaust was bogus

I never said it was "bogus." I just questioned the gas chambers -- I never questioned anything about typhus or starvation. I also question whether they planned to kill every single Jew on the planet (if you want to say that was their plan, then they must have been meglomaniacs who planned to backstab their Japanese allies and administer a world-wide empire spanning all the continents and hemispheres with a comparatively tiny German/Germanic population)

Numbers of the Jewish, Sinti and Romanese population before WW2, after WW2 and the numbers of emigrants are known, what in your opinion happened to the missing ones??

Now you are admitting that the number of deaths is EXTRAPOLATION. First, I don't doubt that some of them were killed. The question is how many. WIKIPEDIA in regard to Sinti and Roma says it is between 200,000 and 800,000. That's a difference of a multiple of 4. If the high end estimate for Jewish deaths is 5.6 million then a difference of a multiple of 4 would make the low end 1.4 million. So why is it that the figure of 200,000 Roma and Sinti deaths is considered uncontroversial, politically, but proposing a figure of 1.4 million for Jewish deaths is somehow controversial? Why is there this double standard when it comes to the number of Jewish victims versus the number of Roma/Sinti victims.

200,000–800,000 Roma & Sinti

Can you give an honest, consistent explanation for the double standard?

Can anyone?

 

[Mr. Blonde]

The protocols from the Nürnberg party convention of the Nazis state that they wanted to exterminate every living jew (Endlösung der Judenfrage), you know they said this temselves.

Roma and Sinti were for most parts not sessile (opposed to jews) - less certain numbers.

 

[wit>trope]

The protocols from the Nürnberg party convention of the Nazis state that they wanted to exterminate every living jew (Endlösung der Judenfrage), you know they said this temselves.

Did it say specifically every single Jew on the face of the planet? If it DID say that, that would effectively be a Declaration of War against Japan (since they would need to conquer the Japanese Empire to carry that out as Jews exist there too) but they were ALLIED with Japan ... so how do you explain that? Why would Japan remain allied with Germany if Japan knew from this "convention" that Germany was not only planning to but had already in effect declared war on Japan?

Roma and Sinti were for most parts not sessile (opposed to jews) - less certain numbers.

OK that would be logical except it doesn't explain the emotional vitriolic reaction of some people and it also doesn't explain these facts:

1. In addition to the difference of a factor of 4 for estimates for Roma and Sinti deaths:

2. There is a difference of a factor of 10 or more for estimates (in wikipedia) of the number of Red Army POWs arbitrarily executed in the invasion of Russia (it says it could be hundreds of thousands or millions). Applying the factor of 10 to 5.5 million would give a range of 550,000 to 5.5 million. Somehow such a range is acceptable for Red Army POWs but not acceptable for Jews. Red Army POWs were certainly not "not sessile"

3. The number of homosexual men executed is estimated (in wikipedia) to be between 10k and 25k -- a factor of 2.5 which applied to Jewish death tolls would give a range of 2.2 million to 5.5 million ... and 2.2 million is considered a politically unacceptable figure for serious historical consideration as well.

4. More examples abound. I suppose you can come up with some excuse for each.

 

[nonconformist]

Do you even have any idea at all of anything?
Have you any concept?
Ever heard of "lebensraum" "untermensch" "Dolchstosstheorie"?