LucyDuke
staring at the clock
With or without?
Sometimes there's no way to make a pregnancy finish with a baby. It's not especially uncommon, and much more common the earlier you start counting.
Why abortion is unnecessary.
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Sometimes there's no way to make a pregnancy finish with a baby. It's not especially uncommon, and much more common the earlier you start counting.
I mentioned this myself. It's actually a case where medical intervention might be essential to preserve at least the life of the would/be mother. Which is, ofcourse, the obvious decision if the mother's life is in danger (as so often was the case in pre-medical times). A mother can always attempt to have another baby, whereas the reverse is quite impossible, once the mother has died.
LucyDuke
staring at the clock
Then I don't know what you were trying to say with post 27.
LucyDuke
staring at the clock
This part.
By setting this rather arbitrary point a few weeks earlier rather than few weeks later...
Somewhere between 16th and 20th, maybe.
edit: Oops, two abortion threads open at once.
I think I'd rather leave that to the medicinally schooled.
The original post was:
This seems contradictory to me, as all foetuses are potentially viable. (The moment of abortion is irrelevant.)
But this has been discussed over several posts now. So whence the confusion?
LucyDuke
staring at the clock
Intentional abortion at all is irrelevant. There are myriad genetic and other sorts of defects that reliably end in miscarriage ("spontaneous abortion"). I'm sure El Mac could give some specific examples of problems a fetus can have that eliminates its potential to be viable. A fetus with condition X was doomed from the moment fertilization. (Perhaps with future medical technology that will change, although I'm not sure it would be worth the effort in most cases.)
'Potentially' includes that situation, however, as I've already mentioned. 'Potentially viable' is a bit of a meaningless term at best. (Everything that starts living is 'potentially viable'; in effect it has already shown it's potence to live by being alive. It's also certain that anything that starts living will die. The only thing uncertain is the moment of death.)
LucyDuke
staring at the clock
We're just disagreeing about word usage, then. "Potentially" certainly does not include such situations, "potentially" refers to the possibility of being able to survive outside the womb. "Viable" is not about whether something has been alive, viability in this context is the ability to survive outside the womb.
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Don't think you can hold Jeleen to your human semantics. He is above such things.
LucyDuke, I don't think I need to provide examples; they're legion, and everyone agrees that they exist.
It's entirely a semantic debate you two are haviing, which (imo) should just be dealt with using compromise. Looking back at the conversation, I don't really think the debate matters, people should just 'agree to understand the gist'.
It's entirely a semantic debate you two are haviing, which (imo) should just be dealt with using compromise. Looking back at the conversation, I don't really think the debate matters, people should just 'agree to understand the gist'.
LucyDuke
staring at the clock
Yeah, I hadn't realized it was just language. I'm still interested in specifics, I'll look into that on my own.
That's usually best.
Oh yeah.
(My point, which then was obviously missed, was that 'potentially viable 'is basically a meaningless term.)
Oh yeah.(My point, which then was obviously missed, was that 'potentially viable 'is basically a meaningless term.)
LucyDuke
staring at the clock
It's not, though. Not in the context I used.
It's not a meaningless term if you're willing to accept the gist of the one using it. Both my and LucyDuke's uses of the word were reasonable and communicated an idea.
