Narz
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More so than liberals, libertarians, socialists, etc.
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Thoughts? Theories?
Why are conservatives especially religious?
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Because when they die they want to go to the "special oven" in the sky and don't care what other people think and want to push their thinking on other people!
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You should ask yourself:
Why are religious people especially conservative?
Faithfulness to "traditional" way of living, the idea of objectivity of morals and handling the resolution of it to lawful authority outside of one's own self etc.
In US of course there's some kind of strange paradox as of conservatives favouring capitalistic system while they endorse strong moral values of society. Apparently they wait people to "fill the gap" in their morality with that religiousness by going into church every sunday and waiting everyone to help other people while being productive, competitive and selfish actors in the capitalistic theatre.
Kind of strange really.
Why are religious people especially conservative?
Faithfulness to "traditional" way of living, the idea of objectivity of morals and handling the resolution of it to lawful authority outside of one's own self etc.
In US of course there's some kind of strange paradox as of conservatives favouring capitalistic system while they endorse strong moral values of society. Apparently they wait people to "fill the gap" in their morality with that religiousness by going into church every sunday and waiting everyone to help other people while being productive, competitive and selfish actors in the capitalistic theatre.
Kind of strange really.
Fugitive Sisyphus
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Couldn't you say "why are conservatives less likely to embrace new religious paradigms?" And that would answer the question, no?
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First, we need to determine if that is true. What do you mean by "conservative"? How do you define "religious"?
And what the ****** is the "special oven"?
And what the ****** is the "special oven"?
Its not really strange, but this really only applies with Protestant communities. Communities with very large Catholic populations are less likely to be as pro-capitalist.
Your analysis is also not really correct. A deep seated work ethic, and respect for the liberal democratic tradition are actually theologically connected with protestantism. Weber, in his book, The Protestant Work Ethic and the spirit of Capitalism touches on this subject in greater depth
ParadigmShifter
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I think he means hell Eran. You know, that place you go to if you use too many curse words like ***** in CFC posts 
I think he means hell Eran. You know, that place you go to if you use too many curse words like ***** in CFC posts
Except he said religious people want to go there, and he said it was in the sky, which is where heaven is assumed to be (generally, by those who don't believe in it).
Also, I distinctly said ******, not *****.
ParadigmShifter
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Hmm you have a point there Eran. I never believed the heaven being in the sky thing anyway becasue it's either really cold or there is hardly any air up there. And everyone knows that heaven is far far hotter than hell...
HEAVEN IS HOTTER THAN HELL
The temperature of heaven can be rather accurately computed. Our authority is the Bible, Isaiah 30:26 reads, Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days. Thus, heaven receives from the moon as much radiation as the earth does from the sun, and in addition seven times seven (forty nine) times as much as the earth does from the sun, or fifty times in all. The light we receive from the moon is one ten-thousandth of the light we receive from the sun, so we can ignore that. With these data we can compute the temperature of heaven: The radiation falling on heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation. In other words, heaven loses fifty times as much heat as the earth by radiation. Using the Stefan-Boltzmann fourth power law for radiation
(H/E)^4 = 50
where E is the absolute temperature of the earth, 300°K (273+27). This gives H the absolute temperature of heaven, as 798° absolute (525°C).
The exact temperature of hell cannot be computed but it must be less than 444.6°C, the temperature at which brimstone or sulfur changes from a liquid to a gas. Revelations 21:8: But the fearful and unbelieving... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." A lake of molten brimstone [sulfur] means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, which is 444.6°C. (Above that point, it would be a vapor, not a lake.)
We have then, temperature of heaven, 525°C (977°F). Temperature of hell, less than 445°F). Therefore heaven is hotter than hell.
HEAVEN IS HOTTER THAN HELL
The temperature of heaven can be rather accurately computed. Our authority is the Bible, Isaiah 30:26 reads, Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days. Thus, heaven receives from the moon as much radiation as the earth does from the sun, and in addition seven times seven (forty nine) times as much as the earth does from the sun, or fifty times in all. The light we receive from the moon is one ten-thousandth of the light we receive from the sun, so we can ignore that. With these data we can compute the temperature of heaven: The radiation falling on heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation. In other words, heaven loses fifty times as much heat as the earth by radiation. Using the Stefan-Boltzmann fourth power law for radiation
(H/E)^4 = 50
where E is the absolute temperature of the earth, 300°K (273+27). This gives H the absolute temperature of heaven, as 798° absolute (525°C).
The exact temperature of hell cannot be computed but it must be less than 444.6°C, the temperature at which brimstone or sulfur changes from a liquid to a gas. Revelations 21:8: But the fearful and unbelieving... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." A lake of molten brimstone [sulfur] means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, which is 444.6°C. (Above that point, it would be a vapor, not a lake.)
We have then, temperature of heaven, 525°C (977°F). Temperature of hell, less than 445°F). Therefore heaven is hotter than hell.
Yeah, but in heaven you get asbestos robes so it's all good.
ArneHD
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Did they by any chance calculate the pressure of hell?
ParadigmShifter
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Indeed someone did, and it refutes the original proof.
Details on this website:
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek//hell.htm
So religion makes perfect scientific sense after all folks.
Details on this website:
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek//hell.htm
So religion makes perfect scientific sense after all folks.
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I mean that capitalism is sort of ultimate amoral position while religiousness is automatically having objective moral positions.
You probably mean they are "socialists" in american scale.
I bet they still wait people to help voluntarily through their church rather than example through welfare system of government?
Oh, I have read my Weber alright.
But protestantianism also hails much more materialistic view of the universum especially in certain countries.
I think Weber's analysis has it's points towards Europe but it comes more complicated when we consider US. You should remember when Weber wrote his work, it was way before US become what it is now.
Sure, we're just making sweeping statements and I was personally only answering the question in OP.
It doesn't reflect the reality of all religious people, neither people who can be considered to be conservative.
Conservatism relies more heavily on faith than the other viewpoints.
Fugitive Sisyphus
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How is that so? it seems to me that, for example, an ideology like communism depends more on what you might call "faith" than conservatism (possibly too general a term to be useful anyways).
Not necessarily. I only need to point to christian fundamentalism, which is by definition protestant and is not even remotely materialistic.
I wouldn't like to die twice, tyvm
On the fiscal side, strong faith in an invisible hand. On the social side, slow change, because that's the way its always been done in our God-fearing neck of the woods.
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