Why did God create atheists?

[Xeven the God]

Sending "sinners" to roast in hell for eternity is a pretty loud complaint.

Don't foget that when he sends you there he still loves you! Man, you have to respect someone that says he loves you even though he is perfectly willing to torture you for all eternity.

(I think I will leave this thread now... I might start throwing some serious flames, pun intented.)

 

[shortguy]

Is God ultimately responsible for evil? Yes. But what are you going to do? Complain to God for giving you a free will? Prefer that you had been created as a robot?

If it's the difference between Heaven and Hell, then yes, I'd rather be a robot.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

What was He thinking?

Might as well ask why He created faithful.

He didn't. He created us, and we used our free will to choose one or the other. All fault is ours, all glory is His.

 

[FredLC]

Is God ultimately responsible for evil? Yes. But what are you going to do? Complain to God for giving you a free will? Prefer that you had been created as a robot?

Well, to be perfectly honest, yes, actually I would rather have we humans forcibly believing in God and thus having ourselves a perfect world, free of suffering and conflict, than the mess of a world we have now.

I find it amusing how you guys parade this reply "would you rather not having free will" as if that were a perfect, self-evident reply of "duh, of course not". I don't think so, and I am not even one of the people who would mostly need it - like the starving on Africa, or paralysed people, or actually anyone at all whose levels of suffering are high in any charts.

But I also think that you actually want it much more than I do... for a world where all humans are devout believers and no pain and suffering exists is, simply put, the Christian heaven. And isn't reaching heaven pretty much the main purpouse of a Christian?

When you suggest that you'd rather live in this mess of a world because of free will than being God's robot, it follows that you are diminishing the value of the goal you, as a Christian, have for your life.

Just some food for though, my friend.

Regards .

 

[King Alexander]

Atheists were there since the dawn of Time/Space, They were never created but They just always existed, They know everything, and They did witnessed gods' creation from people who urged for a god.

 

[Aphex_Twin]

God didn't create athiests. The Devil has corrupted human beings and turned them into such!

This will sound soo cliche, but well... "Who created the Devil?"

 

[Shaihulud]

I don't know why people have to pidgeonhole God so much :C, God is good, great, omni this and that. If God is everything then he is in the Atheist as well and all is good, God is in the devil as well

 

[Dida]

God did not create Atheists, we are a natural product of the world.
On the other hand, the faithful created god as an imaginary 'big brother' who will protect them, while punish those who dare to think freely and differently from them, in an imaginary 'afterlife'. They do this because they are too chicken to experience life on earth on their own, they need security. God functions in similiar ways as cocaine or whatever drug you might name.
This reminds me of the losers back in high school. They get no sex, no girl and nobody like them, living in a state of perpetual agony. What they do is imagine that they are somehow smarter than everyone else and is someday going to be rewarded for their suffering.
These nerds are losers in high school, the faithful are losers in everyday life. Go get laid, stop daydreaming, no one's gotta come and save your ass, blame yourself for your problems, if you can't fix it, then you suck.

 

[Hotpoint]

Might as well ask why He created faithful.

He didn't. He created us, and we used our free will to choose one or the other. All fault is ours, all glory is His.

I refer you back to my earlier post:

One problem with the whole "free-will" argument for Atheism, or any other behaviour deemed "sinful" or "immoral" is that we are increasingly finding genetic predispositions towards, or against, such personality traits.

The question then is why does God make it easier for some people not to "sin" than others? Why is the game rigged in favour of some and against others from birth?

If there is a God and he made some of us more likely to "sin" than others then some of the fault for the sinning is his!

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[MCdread]

You are thinking 4-dimensionally there. God has at least 2, and perhaps an infinite number of dimensions of time, in which to operate. God already exists in the year 3005, 6005, 9005, etc. This is why He knows the choices of our free will; He is already far beyond the time the choice was made. Knowing said choice, and fixing said choice, are 2 different things. But try convincing a devout disbeliever in the supernatural of this...

If God knows the choices, how exactly are those choices a product of free will? If God knows them, they are already determined, therefor free will is an ilusion.

 

[Raijer]

If God knows the choices, how exactly are those choices a product of free will? If God knows them, they are already determined, therefor free will is an ilusion.

It's theological mystical-magical-logic-defying-hocus-pocus having your cake and eating it too. God can know the outcome of the world he would create (let's see: Satan, an eaten apple, billiions and billions of souls tortured in hell for eternity), and yet be absolved from any responsibility at all because people "chose" to do what he knew they would do all along. It shocks me that so many miss the moral repugnance of such a premise.

 

[cgannon64]

It shocks me that so many miss the moral repugnance of such a premise.

Would you rather have God not create the world? Is non-existence really better than the chance of salvation, and eternal damnation for those who chose it?

 

[greenman1234]

Mabey this is to show us that even if you do somthing rowng you can be saved

 

[MCdread]

Would you rather have God not create the world? Is non-existence really better than the chance of salvation, and eternal damnation for those who chose it?

I don't think that question makes much sense for an atheist...

 

[Raijer]

Would you rather have God not create the world? Is non-existence really better than the chance of salvation, and eternal damnation for those who chose it?

If that is the operating premise, yes. The obvious moral solution in such a case is to not bother at all. Again, if you wish to toss logic out the window and make omniscience and free-will magically compatible, that's your perogitive. I refuse to do so, and as a result, if presented with God and the problem of Evil, the obvious answer is that a) God is NOT all loving and is in fact quite evil, or b) he's utterly helpless to stop evil.

 

[Xeven the God]

If that is the operating premise, yes. The obvious moral solution in such a case is to not bother at all. Again, if you wish to toss logic out the window and make omniscience and free-will magically compatible, that's your perogitive. I refuse to do so, and as a result, if presented with God and the problem of Evil, the obvious answer is that a) God is NOT all loving and is in fact quite evil, or b) he's utterly helpless to stop evil.

I don't know why, but your post just made me think of something interesting. It was probably the 'utterly helpless' line.

If god is supposed to be everything, then isn't he both utterly helpless and all powerful at the same time? I mean, isn't he both weak and strong?

And what is with the wholes Jesus theng anyway? Why couldn't god just wipe away they sins of humanity, without killing someone to do it? I mean, that has to be within his powers, correct? Or is he not all powerful?

 

[Neonanocyborgasm]

What was He thinking?

Ahhh, but that "proves" that there's no god!

 

[cgannon64]

The obvious moral solution in such a case is to not bother at all.

So you're going to first deny people existence, and then deny them salvation and complete knowledge of God, all because some people are going to screw up?

 

[Raijer]

So you're going to first deny people existence, and then deny them salvation and complete knowledge of God, all because some people are going to screw up?

Some people? Once again, you obviously wish to defy logic with a belief that God can be omniscient AND people can have free will. God already knows from the start who's going to hell and who's going to get "salvation." No body's going to surprise him with their so-called "choices," whether for good or evil. God, when pondering the creation of his little universe, knew exactly who was going to be "saved," and conversely he also knew the much much MUCH longer list of "screw-ups" who would be roasting in hell for eternity. Billions and billions and billions of souls in a pit of fire, roasting FOR ALL ETERNITY. When faced with this knowlege, it seems much more moral to not create the thing in the first place. No harm done, no suffering, no pain. God could then just create heaven, then create a the small population of those he knew would "choose" good, and then everyone could live happily ever after.

 

[toh6wy]

See, it's threads like these that make me think so little of religion, especially Christianity. I'm a very logically-oriented person, and Christianity at least seems so logically unsound to me in so many ways that I have a strong aversion to it.