Why did God create atheists?

[cgannon64]

conversely he also knew the much much MUCH longer list of "screw-ups" who would be roasting in hell for eternity. Billions and billions and billions of souls in a pit of fire, roasting FOR ALL ETERNITY.

For an obvious Atheist, you seem to know alot about how many people get into Heaven and how many into Hell.

(And, yes, I'm not denying that the omniscience-free will thing is troubling, but it is not unsolvable.)

 

[nonconformist]

For an obvious Atheist, you seem to know alot about how many people get into Heaven and how many into Hell.

(And, yes, I'm not denying that the omniscience-free will thing is troubling, but it is not unsolvable.)

How many people live their lives in accordance with the 10 Commandments, and don't commit any of the seven sins?
Out of those that don't, how many confess/repent at death, nad are thus sin-free.
Out of those, how many practice the "right" religion?

 

[Raijer]

For an obvious Atheist, you seem to know alot about how many people get into Heaven and how many into Hell.

(And, yes, I'm not denying that the omniscience-free will thing is troubling, but it is not unsolvable.)

It's not a complicated math problem. Simply considering all the people in all the major religions besides Christianity, which, of course, all count as "screw-ups" and therefore are all commiting a roastable offense, and then applying this consideration for 2,000 years of history, it's pretty elementary that the "sinners" list will much longer than the "saved" one. And that's not counting all the "false Christians," or "fallen Christians" and atheists such as myself.

And I salute you for admiting the freewill/omniscience dilema. I'm curious as to how you'd solve it.

 

[Narz]

roastable offense

I love your way with words Raij!

 

[Xeven the God]

Yes, Raij's words are great. Indeed, one day we all may roast on the great grill of Satan, stopping only to be turned over (that we may be cooked evenly on all sides) by the exceedingly large tongs of the Prince of Darkness.

I like mine medium rare, thanks.

 

[Kozmos]

So that religious people could say:The Lord Allmighty shall smite you for diminshing his Great Glory!!!

 

[Mise]

God didn't "create" the devil. God created Lucifer. God gave Lucifer free will. Lucifer used that free will, to go against God's will. That is when Lucifer became Satan.

Surely God, being all-knowing, knew Lucifer would do this (in the same way he knew that Jesus would end up crucified), so I don't see how this helps. Either God knowingly created evil, or there are limits to God's power.

 

[Narz]

Surely God, being all-knowing, knew Lucifer would do this (in the same way he knew that Jesus would end up crucified), so I don't see how this helps. Either God knowingly created evil, or there are limits to God's power.

Sounds pretty airtight to me.

 

[ironduck]

"screw-ups"

Great!

I'm officially a screw-up, but at least I'm not alone!

 

[ironduck]

Is the devil the source of all sin? No. And to prove this to mankind, Jesus is coming back to rule the Earth from Jerusalem for 1,000 years. During this time, the devil will be locked up in the abyss.

I don't understand what this means. To prove to mankind that the devil is NOT the source of all sin, Jesus is going to rule the earth for 1000 years? So while Jesus rules the earth some of us screw-ups are gonna sin, thus proving to mankind that we are, well, screw-ups?

Why does he need to prove that?

And also, how is Jesus going to rule the earth while allowing people to sin? I mean, is he going to be, like, a politician, or what? Is he going to run for president? What if loses the election? If a term is four years it might be hard to win 250 terms in a row, especially if he allows us screw-ups to, screw-up (in other words, vote for Nader instead).

 

[FriendlyFire]

Surely God, being all-knowing, knew Lucifer would do this (in the same way he knew that Jesus would end up crucified), so I don't see how this helps. Either God knowingly created evil, or there are limits to God's power.

Logical ???

God allowed for hes creation the final gift of free will. Each of gods own creations can choose for itself its own path, Be it to do goodl or evil.
God simply knows all possible outcomes of those choices.
(which is different from per-determiniest please see einsteins theory's into this)

 

[Yom]

Logical ???

God allowed for hes creation the final gift of free will. Each of gods own creations can choose for itself its own path, Be it to do goodl or evil.
God simply knows all possible outcomes of those choices.
(which is different from per-determiniest please see einsteins theory's into this)

If God knows all possible outcomes of the choices, but not the eventual outcomes, then God is not omniscient, as he does not know what you will do, just what would happen if you did X.

 

[vbraun]

But who created God so that he can 'create' the Atheists?

 

[Communisto]

he didn't create us because what isn't can't create

 

[Elrohir]

It's not a complicated math problem. Simply considering all the people in all the major religions besides Christianity, which, of course, all count as "screw-ups" and therefore are all commiting a roastable offense, and then applying this consideration for 2,000 years of history, it's pretty elementary that the "sinners" list will much longer than the "saved" one. And that's not counting all the "false Christians," or "fallen Christians" and atheists such as myself.

And I salute you for admiting the freewill/omniscience dilema. I'm curious as to how you'd solve it.

Actually, that's incorrect. Taking into account the children that die before the age of accountability (Generally thought to be between 2 and 8) including abortion and miscarriage victims, the list of saved people is much, much longer than the list of damned.

But who created God so that he can 'create' the Atheists?

Maybe he created himself.

You'll never fully understand the nature of God, by definition understanding him is beyond us.

 

[Mise]

Actually, that's incorrect. Taking into account the children that die before the age of accountability (Generally thought to be between 2 and 8) including abortion and miscarriage victims, the list of saved people is much, much longer than the list of damned.

They're the lucky ones I suppose?

 

[Elrohir]

They're the lucky ones I suppose?

Hmm? (Ten Characters)

 

[Mise]

I was refering to the way you described the dead children as having been "saved".

 

[Elrohir]

What about it?

 

[cgannon64]

It's not a complicated math problem. Simply considering all the people in all the major religions besides Christianity, which, of course, all count as "screw-ups" and therefore are all commiting a roastable offense, and then applying this consideration for 2,000 years of history, it's pretty elementary that the "sinners" list will much longer than the "saved" one. And that's not counting all the "false Christians," or "fallen Christians" and atheists such as myself.

Two things: First, what is so wrong about people going to hell if they deserve it, and if they are truly sinners? And secondly, even if every single person who ever existed went to hell, save one, isn't it all worth it so that one person might be saved? Are you really going to deny the one person salvation so that everyone else can avoid their deserved punishment?