Why did Western civilization become more advanced?

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Indeed, it is a perfectly valid question to ask why certain cultures are more technologically advanced than others. However, I'm not sure if the question asked is really as objective as that. The following quote by abradley is why I suspect he's thinking of scientific advancement between east and west in terms of an endgame.



Saying that the East acted stupidly implies that the East was the noob that didn't cottage his capital by 2000 BC.
Assuming I understand you, that's right.

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Need to correct my answer, my point is 'they didn't cottage their capital from before we Westerners arrived and a long time after, Japan opened up in the 19th century, China made some (half hearted?) attempts here and there, but now in the 21st century the East is stealing our thunder and may soon be the Boss.'
 
The rivers were a blessing, cheap transport plus cultural intermixing, as Braudel points sub-Saharan Africa has no navigational rivers like the North African Nile, IIRC he felt this stunted their growth. Makes sense to me.
Not sure where he is getting that from. The Congo River -along with most of its tributaries- are eminently navigable once you get past the falls and get to Stanley Pool. The Congo Free State didn't import steamboats to the river because they were bored.
 
^Yes, the Congo river is navigable, but not all the way to the sea, and the Congo state used steamboats from the sea up to the bit where the falls/rapids make a continuous journey by boat impossible.
Afaik they also created some railway. Along with cutting hands and stuff :(
 
What about science:
The Stillbirth of Science in Ancient Egypt

http://www.strangenotions.com/the-stillbirth-of-science-in-ancient-egypt/
The first stillbirth Fr. Stanley L. Jaki discussed in the Savior of Science is the stillbirth of science in Egypt, “an Egypt to be buried in the sand.” In ancient Egypt (from about 3000 B.C.), impressive discoveries and achievements were recorded in history.

The Egyptians constructed grand pyramids of such majesty and awe that no one today knows how they did it. They invented hieroglyphics, a highly developed form of phonetic writing which may have been the greatest intellectual feat of its kind. They had medical arts. They were successful in using the Nile as an abundant resource. They adopted better weaponry and the use of chariots from other countries. The Egyptian king, Wehimbre Neco, who ruled from 610–595 B.C., sent a fleet to sail West, and the sailors traveled from the Arabian gulf into the southern ocean for three years until they returned to Egypt.

Egyptian social life revolved around practical skill. For the proper distribution of grain and other commodities, ancient Egypt relied on a system of arithmetic in which they took stock of and divided out resources with impressive book-keeping skills. They invented a decimal system with special glyphs for powers of ten up to one million. Their calendar endured uninterrupted use during all of Egyptian history, and the Hellenistic astronomers adopted it for their calculations. Ptolemy based his tables on this calendar in the Almagest on Egyptian years, as did Copernicus to some extent.
Ancient Egyptian craftsmen showed great ingenuity in using their tools. They had a simple but effective method of producing sheets of paper from the leaves of the papyrus plant, much more efficient than the use of animal skin as writing substrates. They were the first to produce plywood as many as six layers deep and made of mixtures of woods. Carpentry among Egyptians used methods of joining wood in intricate patterns for the hulls of boats as well as inlaying, veneering, and overlaying techniques. The burial chambers of Pharaohs of the XVIIIth Dynasty from the sixteenth century B.C. have received much publicity for their highly developed architectural planning containing secret chambers that even space-age technology and sensitive cosmic-ray methods could not detect.
The pyramids, however, constitute the real mystery in Egyptian marvel and ability. Their proportions were enormous. The Egyptian stonecutter placed the huge blocks of stone together with only 1/50 of an inch separation at the base of the pyramid and covered them with marble plates of such smoothness that the pyramids looked like mirrors. They managed to quarry, shape, and polish great stones despite the fact that they had no metal tools. Transportation of the great stones was done with wooden sleds. The overall master plan of the pyramids formed a superbly constructed facility to ensure the king’s journey to the Sun God.

Even with these achievements, the underlying theology and cultural mindset regarding the universe thwarted scientific advancement. “In their deepest meaning the pyramids were symbols of a conception about the world that nipped in the bud all scientific endeavors.” (Science and Creation, 79.) The Egyptians were caught up in an animistic, cyclic outlook that made them insensitive to science as well as history. In their hymns they pictured most parts of the world as animal gods, the whole world itself being one huge animal often depicted as a serpent bent into a circle. In a hymn from ancient texts, the animistic, organismic, rhythmic, and cyclic worldview is explicitly described:
"He [the Indwelling Soul] it was who made the universe in that he copulated with his fist and took the pleasure of emission. I bent right around myself, I was encircled in my coils, one who made a place for himself in the midst of his coils. His utterance was what came forth from his own mouth." (Myths and Symbol in Ancient Egypt, 51.)
The Egyptians believed that the circularity in the sky and in nature was proof that the cosmos was changeless and cyclical too, and that single events or processes had little or no significance, which meant that they “simply could not serve as the carriers of special intellectual content.”

The Egyptians had the talent and the skill to notice that everything in the material world is in motion and is, thus, observable and quantifiable. They had the talent to realize that the scientific method could be applied repeatedly to answer questions about the universe, to determine scientific laws. They had the ability to innovate and the ability to communicate it. They demonstrated the ability to learn from other cultures. Science could have been born in ancient Egypt, but it was not. All of that progress came to a standstill, a stillbirth.

Jaki also pointed out that to argue that “the Egyptians of old failed to develop more science because they did not feel the need for more is an all too transparent form of begging a most serious question,” a conceited psychology (Savior of Science, 23). If they had been but an animal species, they would have never even tried to innovate. They would have continued on their way with things as they were, just as all other animals do. There was plenty of evidence that they did long for something better. During the reign of Akhenaton, the Pharaoh known for abandoning traditional Egyptian polytheism and introducing worship of Aten, a monotheistic deity, Egyptians responded in great number to dispose of long-established rigid art forms and seek “warmly humane representations of life and nature.” Egyptians seemed to want something better. Yet after Akhenaton’s death the traditional religion was restored and Akhenaton became archived as an enemy.

The longing is also evident in the poetry the Egyptians sang, the inspiration they took from the animal kingdom in their carvings of animal and human combined bodies, effigies which now are, as Jaki put it, “buried in the sand as if to symbolize that there was no future in store for the Egypt of old.” (Savior of Science, 25)

In a culture of pantheism, eternity consisted in assimilating to the cyclic motion of nature; souls that reached the stars were considered transfigured spirits absorbed into the great rhythm of the universe. In that context, modern science could have been born, but was not.


Sources:
Stanley L. Jaki, Science and Creation: From Eternal Cycles to an Oscillating Universe (Edinburgh: Scottish Academic Press, Ltd, 1986), 68-79.
Stanley L. Jaki, The Savior of Science (Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company), 2000, 22-25.
Jona Lendering, “The First Circumnavigation of Africa,” Moellerhaus at http://www.moellerhaus.com/Persian/Hist01.html.
O. Neugebauer, “The Origin of the Egyptian Calendar,” Journal of Near Eastern Studies (1942), 396.
R. T. Rundle Clark, Myths and Symbol in Ancient Egypt (London: Thames & Hudson, 1959), 51; quoted in Jaki, Science and Creation, 73.

Adapted from the book by Stacy Trasancos, Science Was Born of Christianity: The Teaching of Fr. Stanley L. Jaki (Habitation of Chimham Publishing, 2014), pp. 53-57.
Some interesting comments.
 
Afaik the ancient Egyptians (like the Mesopotamians, Persians, Indians and Celts) did not have a system of spreading knowledge anyway, but were focused in 'sages' and sage orders such as priests and magi (at least Diogenes Laertios, 3rd century AD seems to think so).
Moreover their math did not feature theorems/proof, and apparently was non-rigorous and more based on 'it seems to be this way'. The view is that Thales presented the first use of a theorem in math (source: Aristotle, Eukleid, others), despite the info on circles and triangles placed in a set way within them being right-angled being known from earlier civs as well. (afaik the circle was also first divided into 360 parts in Mesopotamia, and the Vedes also originate there).
 
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I think it was a consequence of freedom of thought and the expression of ideas that do not conform with religious teachings within the west.
 
If you mean the protestants, western advances began long before that happened. And places such as India had far more religious non-conformity, without that leading to quick development.The greeks and the romans had used that potential long ago, a period of warfare set things back for a few centuries, then it began anew, and that time it went on until the cataclysmic events of the world wars. The big mystery is why there was a prolonged crisis during the 5th-11th centuries. The Mediterranean trade collapsed and took a long time to be reestablished in the western Mediterranean. Arab invasions, norse invasions, all that played a role in keeping the Mediterranean "broken" during that whole time. But the end result was an "enlarged Europe" towards the north which supplied the resources for imperial expansion into other continents.

Western Europe, from the Mediterranean to the Baltic, was simply one of those places blessed by nature that happened to take center stage in the world. Perhaps it might have been another (China? India?) but it would have been difficult given the technology of the time. Other countries lacked either the right mix of resources easily accessible at the time (China and India), or the population to use them (eastern north america). And Europe's luck with resources continued into the industrial age, with all the coal that made the UK, germany and to a lesser extent France big players in the 19th century. And north America joined in with its coal and vast agricultural lands finally put to use. The rest of the world slid towards peripheral positions, lacking enough easy those resources and/or burdened by excess population.

Call me a materialist. It was economics, resources, that allowed progress. If not inside a polity, at least nearby for the traders of that polity to use and control.
 
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If you mean the protestants, western advances began long before that happened. And places such as India had far more religious non-conformity, without that leading to quick development.The greeks and the romans had used that potential long ago, a period of warfare set things back for a few centuries, then it began anew, and that time it went on until the cataclysmic events of the world wars. The big mystery is why there was a prolonged crisis during the 5th-11th centuries. The Mediterranean trade collapsed and took a long time to be reestablished in the western Mediterranean. Arab invasions, norse invasions, all that played a role in keeping the Mediterranean "broken" during that whole time. But the end result was an "enlarged Europe" towards the north which supplied the resources for imperial expansion into other continents.

Western Europe, from the Mediterranean to the Baltic, was simply one of those places blessed by nature that happened to take center stage in the world. Perhaps it might have been another (China? India?) but it would have been difficult given the technology of the time. Other countries lacked either the right mix of resources easily accessible at the time (China and India), or the population to use them (eastern north america). And Europe's luck with resources continued into the industrial age, with all the coal that made the UK, germany and to a lesser extent France big players in the 19th century. And north America joined in with its coal and vast agricultural lands finally put to use. The rest of the world slit towards peripheral positions, lacking enough easy touse resources and/or burdened by excess population.

Call me a materialist. It was economics, resources, that allowed progress. If not inside a polity, at least nearby for the traders of that polity to use and control.


Some fair points :)

As an aside i recall watching a documentary that claimed the royal navy essentially drove the development of the modern world :)

The argument was that the huge strain building what is the equivalent to stealth fighters in those days let to industrlisation, and the huge financial cost led to the bank of england and modern finance.

I think its a step too far to claim as much, but 'empire of the seas' is a good watch.
 
I think much of our development was an interplay between:
  • resources, including arable soil
  • technologies
  • culture, especially the ability to handle bigger groups of people in good cohesion
  • logistics starting from walking, and the sweet spots enabling: -> small boats in streams and coast -> horseback for war and caravans -> deep sea ships -> railroads -> motorways
trade building on this forming economy.
Very much as the game civilisation is build up.

Egypt and Sumeria around arable soil.
France also, having the best arable soil in western Europe, but not good logistics by streams, canals and no energy resouces close to cities.

As an example with energy, with coal and related iron.
Coal is mostly in locations that were in other aspects not favorable for early civilisations and logistics not advanced, relatively cheap enough to really use it. As a consequence iron production is expensive.
So Britain, having coal, but not in immediate distance of her cities, explodes economically once railroad connects with a cheap transport.

Before railroad, in western Europe Belgium and the Netherlands were far better locations for economy because of short distance available Energy in the form of peat. First came Belgium with dry peat (1300-1500) then came the Netherlands with wed peat (half underwater) but because of all the canals and streams better logistics (1500-1700). Both missed however easily available coal.
Britain missed the streams and canals for easy logistics.
 
Yup i agree it was a combination of many things that led to the explosion in the UK. Resources, a skilled workforce, a stable government without internal rebellions, the spinning jenny, newcomens improved steam engine, brunel!, cheap fuel compare to the rest of the world... and colonies to supply demand. The list is endless.

The royal navy did play its part in creating the demand in the early stages though so id definitely recommend the series.

Anyway on topic i still think the enlightenment played its part- you mention india but as i understand it the indian economy was strong around 1750
 
Yup i agree it was a combination of many things that led to the explosion in the UK. Resources, a skilled workforce, a stable government without internal rebellions, the spinning jenny, newcomens improved steam engine, brunel!, cheap fuel compare to the rest of the world... and colonies to supply demand. The list is endless.

The royal navy did play its part in creating the demand in the early stages though so id definitely recommend the series.

Anyway on topic i still think the enlightenment played its part- you mention india but as i understand it the indian economy was strong around 1750

Jip
The navy secured the access to the colonies, and by all the cloth export to the many colonies, that together created an unmatched economy of scale for textile manufacturing, on her turn laying the foundations for very early mass production before the invention of steam power, and building up both an engineering knowledge base as skilled labor for machines. Key elements (everywhere in Europe) that caused textile being the nucleus of industralisation once coal and steampower were readily accessable.
The navy also enabled both economical draining warfare with economical competitors as pure blocking of trade. From 1800 onward the hegemony is fully established.
 
As an aside i recall watching a documentary that claimed the royal navy essentially drove the development of the modern world :)

The argument was that the huge strain building what is the equivalent to stealth fighters in those days let to industrlisation, and the huge financial cost led to the bank of england and modern finance.

I can see how what they meant. Building a ship of the line was a huge endeavor. Naval supplies had to be imported from the Baltic or (later in the UK's case Canada). Huge shipyards employed hundreds or thousands of people, and were probably among the fist complex, long-lasting industrial organizations. A state bureaucracy had to procure the financing for all this. And the state had to issue debt when the funds were not readily available, and place it through brokers. And guarantee that arrangement to the lenders by creating a central bank. Venice had its big shipyards, Amsterdam had even bigger ones and sought to control the Baltic trade. And the UK later outdid both. The UK turned to Canada to control its own naval supplies. France tried that too but lost there. So supplying the navy did lead (almost) directly to the decision of acquiring some colonies.
 
On a related note, are there actually any instances of rulers being able to rely on private navies as they have done with armies?

The only instances I can think of are early medieval Norse kings and pre-colonial Polynesia kings, both of which were pretty unusual in that local nobility maintained both ships and trained sailors for their own purposes. Apart from that, you've got privateers, which were only ever an auxiliary force, and groups like the Sea Beggars, which were more like sea-borne guerrillas than a regular army. It feels like there must be some other examples.
 
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Afaik the largest private navy ever in operation was the VOC's. I don't know to what degree the uniter provinces may have used VOC ships ding their many occasional wars. But they did use them

Earlier Genoa had also hired ships, frequently from its own magnates. But Genoa was, like the dutch later, a "state" ruled by merchants. Those were the exceptions, not the rule.
 
On a related note, are there actually any instances of rulers being able to rely on private navies as they have done with armies?

The only instances I can think of are early medieval Norse kings and pre-colonial Polynesia kings, both of which were pretty unusual in that local nobility maintained both ships and trained sailors for their own purposes. Apart from that, you've got privateers, which were only ever an auxiliary force, and groups like the Sea Beggars, which were more like sea-borne guerrillas than a regular army. It feels like there must be some other examples.

IIRC the Romans regularly drafted private ships to serve in their fleet, but that's not exactly what you mean, is it?
 
There really is no agreed upon reason why the northern European nations had the Industrial Revolution, and other places did not. There are a lot of reasons put forward. Some seem to cover part of the reasons, but not the whole of it. It may well be one of those freak things where a series of factors just came together right.

  • The Black Death made labor more expensive, and in the northwest of Europe, particularly in Britain, the nobles failed to contain labor in serfdom, as eastern Europe and other parts of the world did. This made labor more expensive.
  • A gradual evolution of science and technology made more tools available for people to start with,
  • A general lessening of the hand of religion offered people more scope of action.
  • A general lessening of the hand of government, ditto.
  • A scientific revolution to draw on.
  • The opportunity for massively expanded markets.
  • Greater literacy among the populace.
  • Expanding legal protections for commoners.
There is no one thing you can point to which explains it. Many factors seem to have come together. But the real difference in wealth is the Industrial Revolution. Whatever you want to credit as the cause of that happening where and when it did.
 
On a related note, are there actually any instances of rulers being able to rely on private navies as they have done with armies?

The only instances I can think of are early medieval Norse kings and pre-colonial Polynesia kings, both of which were pretty unusual in that local nobility maintained both ships and trained sailors for their own purposes. Apart from that, you've got privateers, which were only ever an auxiliary force, and groups like the Sea Beggars, which were more like sea-borne guerrillas than a regular army. It feels like there must be some other examples.
I was under the impression that was how most medieval navies functioned until cannons became common. The king decided he needed boats and sent out messengers to the towns obligated to provide boats to him. Those towns sent messengers to captains operating under charter from the town and told them the king needs to you to carry his collection of angry violent guys from point A to point B.
 
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