Why do some people say we save your ass about WW2

[LuckyAC]

Russia certainly would have beaten Germany without the US, but that actually may be the problem. If they had won by themselves, they would have kept on pushing into Europe, and the Iron Curtain would have been further west. Of course, the world is far too complex to really make reliable predictions about a different history, if such a concept can even exist. I'd say the US's greatest contribution was actually in helping to rebuild Europe and Japan. The money itself may not have been huge, but the Marshall Plan was very successful because it forced economic reforms and European integration (like the Coal and Steel Community) that was the precursor of the EU.

Regardless, it's ridiculous to have some kind of national "debt" of gratitude in the first place, but even more so since the actions were purely pragmatic, not out of some great generosity.

 

[BEHIND_THE_MASK]

Without lend lease there was no hope. Germany easily would of won had they not had to contend with american weapons given to the soviets. Also you got a good deal of luck. Perhaps a higher power had a hand in saving your ass.

If by a highe power you mean god, then perhaps, yes, we may have had some help.

Though, I doubt it...

It was most likely good old Russian stubborness. We had it at Stalingrad, we had it at Kursk, we had it when we burned Moscow, we had it at Paltova.

And don't act like some higher power hasn't seemingly pulled you ass from the fire.

-The US Revolution
-The War of 1812
-Mexican-American War (I hate "what ifs" but I do believe that the Mexicans could have defeated the US had it adopted Spanish Guerilla Tactics and had better leaders and what not)

And if ya ask me that higher power has already turned his back the US. Look what he's thrown your way.

-The Vietnamese War
-Occupation of Iraq

Thats pretty much all I gotta say for now... But if you don't believe, we can always ask the "Decider".

 

[MjM]

Well, the Germans could've "won" WW2 if the Norweigans hadn't destroyed key nuclear weapons development sites, which were at the time ahead of the Americans.

 

[BEHIND_THE_MASK]

Well, the Germans could've "won" WW2 if the Norweigans hadn't destroyed key nuclear weapons development sites, which were at the time ahead of the Americans.

And the Swedes could have ended it earlier too if they didn't supply Germans with ore and such.

Though, ya cant stay made at the Swedes... Especially seeing as how my country screwed them over big time in the Great Northern War.

Thanks for St. Petersburg, though

 

[steveedster]

If by a highe power you mean god, then perhaps, yes, we may have had some help.

Though, I doubt it...

It was most likely good old Russian stubborness. We had it at Stalingrad, we had it at Kursk, we had it when we burned Moscow, we had it at Paltova.

And don't act like some higher power hasn't seemingly pulled you ass from the fire.

-The US Revolution
-The War of 1812
-Mexican-American War (I hate "what ifs" but I do believe that the Mexicans could have defeated the US had it adopted Spanish Guerilla Tactics and had better leaders and what not)

And if ya ask me that higher power has already turned his back the US. Look what he's thrown your way.

-The Vietnamese War
-Occupation of Iraq

Thats pretty much all I gotta say for now... But if you don't believe, we can always ask the "Decider".

HIGHER POWER WHAT ? are we playing age of mythology here and i miussed something?

seriously tho as in my earlier post....

my honest opinion is that without america's entry into ww2 between Germany and Britain there would have been a stalemate. Britain won the Battle of Britain thanks to her brave pilots and spitfires and hurricanes and of course radar. However another big sticking point for the Germans was the Royal Navy which at that time was far far far superior to what the Germans had (operation sealion was a joke and would have been a disaster), every time the Germans lauched a battleship it was hunted down and sunk, and in fact in the end the Germans were actually affraid to launch them. The U-boat campagn also turned during the war with the British sinking so many that the Germans could no longer keep production.

Now on the other hand without america, Britain also had no chance of breaking fortress europe. so my only conclusion is Stalemate between Britain and Germany, the focus of the war I feel would have then moved east and Im not even going to speculate what could have happened there!

 

[BEHIND_THE_MASK]

HIGHER POWER WHAT ? are we playing age of mythology here and i miussed something?

Mythology?

While I do personally veiw all religions as pure myths and such, your probably going to piss of the really religious people of the forum by referring to Christianity and what not as Mythology.

You earlier post is probably the most likely, though I do believe that had American not entered into WWII (This means fighting Japan too, a German ally) the Brits would most likely have been strangled once Japan finished off China. It would have taken all British Asian colonies... Burma, India and all that. Then it may just be as liekly for the Japanese to swing around Arabia, seige the Suez Canal and help take the British African colonies (probably could march from India into the Middle East putting the British into a vice until pushed from the Mid East.

But I dont know, I'm not a tactician.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Why? If that's his opinion.

Sigh, I don't understand why telling people there is a god is perfectly ok, but telling people there isn't one is deemed offensive.

 

[BEHIND_THE_MASK]

Why? If that's his opinion.

Sigh, I don't understand why telling people there is a god is perfectly ok, but telling people there isn't one is deemed offensive.

I agee...

Im alway ranting on how there is no god and I always get the same reaction.

Maybe I should try doing it somewhere other then church...

Most of the stuff I post is just Sarcasm and Smart-Ass"isms" I'd rly like for this not to develop into a Religious debate so how bout we just drop it right here?

 

[bigfatron]

Now on the other hand without america, Britain also had no chance of breaking fortress europe. so my only conclusion is Stalemate between Britain and Germany, the focus of the war I feel would have then moved east and Im not even going to speculate what could have happened there!

The problem with that thesis is that Britain didn't 'break' fortress Europe, Russia did. The eastern front turned in 1942, and US troops didn't really make an impact even in Sicily until 1943. Whether a Uk-only invasion of Sicily would have been possible is very debatable - I'm sure the British army in North Africa would have been re-deployed, but where is not entirely clear.

Of far more importance were the provision of weapons from US manufacturers and supplies from the US, directly or through lend lease, and the sharing of Atlantic convoy duties between UK/Canadian and US forces.

So, US saved the European arse? No - but the declaration of war by Hitler on the US and the assistance that followed made it a whole lot easier and quicker to win.

BFR

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

In fairness, it's usually only people who have less than 1,000 posts who say "US saved your ass". It's a similar situation with people who scream "war for oil!!1!1!"

Most people who have been on CFC for a while aren't that stupid or arrogant.

We definatly saved your ass.

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[BEHIND_THE_MASK]

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Lets get this framed and put on the wall...

 

[MjM]

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lolelitism

 

[Verbose]

And the Swedes could have ended it earlier too if they didn't supply Germans with ore and such.

Out of curiostity, with what was Sweden supposed to stop Germany form taking the ore, if they needed it, in 1940?

 

[plarq]

From anti-commie view, yes, US saved western Europe from Stalin.
From anti-nazi view, no, the fate of Third Reich is sealed in the east front.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Whenever I read stuff like that on forums, I then say how much the US owes to France during the American Revolution. My retorts are generally ignored, strangely.

You could point out that it was less of a "saving" and more of a "defeating" of France in WWII.

 

[Phlegmak]

You could point out that it was less of a "saving" and more of a "defeating" of France in WWII.

How did the US defeat France in WW2?

 

[Verbose]

I suppose it can be meant as no US around when France went through the German chopper in 1940.

 

[Fugitive Sisyphus]

About the Russians defeating the Nazis. They could not have done it without American trucks, fuel, trains, money, etc. The Russians provided the manpower and the weapons, we provided the ability to feed and supply it as well as other things.

 

[bhsup]

I'm not going to read five pages of this, just wanted to repeat what I've said before in this forum.

I have no patience for my fellow countrymen who go on and on about "saving your ass" in WWII and so forth. You know what? We were allies, everyone doing what they could do. It's not supposed to be a damned game of "My daddy is bigger than your daddy" or any crap like that.

How about acknowledging that the French resistance were just as valiant and brave as any other warriors in WWII, oh, and how about also mentioning that the French military remained subservient to its civilian masters and obeyed the order to surrender. It wasn't like they all just threw down their guns and ran for the closest wine and cheese factory to drink away their worries.

Personally, I'd be a little worried if the US military decided it knew better than the civilian leadership put in place by the people, and just started obeying orders only when it felt like it.