Why Europeans Seem To Hate America

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As there has been so much posting of late on this topic, I decided to type some of my own thoughts on the matter of European or Leftist hostility to the United States and Bush. As a European who has lots of experience and fondness for America, I find the nature and prevalence of these sentiments somewhat saddening and disturbing. I want to explain them both to myself and to Americans.

So, why do I think Europe and the Left seem to hate America so much?

POWER OF AMERICAN CULTURE

Americans should realize that expanding American cultural influence threatens Europe's distinctive cultures; or, at least as perceptions go, appears to threaten them. As far as many Europeans are concerned, American cultural influence is eroding the many proud and diverse cultures of Europe. To quote one European CFC poster, Mario Feldberg, "European countries become more like cheap copies of America every day SOURCE. American culture intrudes everywhere. American music is replacing and marginalizing traditional music everywhere in Europe. American fast food is doing much to damage the health and dietal diversity of European people. Expensive American movies are sold cheaply in the European market, making it extremely difficult for native industries to compete. While Americans blame failed liberal social policies, European parents blame the insidious influence of American culture for the social problems of their children and wider society. Although the people of Europe love American popular culture, their proud elites hate it. To quote one writer,

"we might, not without some justification, compare American culture to the AIDS virus, HIV. Like that brilliantly adapted organism, US culture is endlessly self-replicating and alarmingly adept at co-opting the production machinery of its host" (Ziauddin Sardar & Merryl Wyn Davies, Why Do People Hate America, (2002), p. 117)

What the writer is speaking of is the extraordinary popularity of mass-produced American popular culture.

Moreover, Americans must understand that much of Europe's cultural attitude is rooted in social elitism. Hence, not only do European elites hate American popular culture, they despise it; and they despise it precisely because it comes in the popular form. This, however, generates negative stereotypes and attitudes which filter down to the masses.

Now, what's wrong here is that they do not understand that America has its own elite culture. American elites like opera, theater, jazz and ethnic curiosities as much as European elites do. However, Europeans do not fully understand that. They do not understand that American elites despise McDonalds and Hollywood blockbusters just as much as they do.

AMERICAN POLITICAL POWER

Along with American culture, the political power of the American state also contributes to European dislike of America. Europeans elites see themselves as political equals, at the very least, of the USA. They do not expect America to ignore them. When it does, America is seen as arrogant.

Western Europeans see themselves as the judges of the world. Every time that the USA does something that the majority of the European chattering class disagree with, another few hatred points are added to the American scorecard. What makes this worse, is that orthodox western European political philosophy is rooted in leftist ideology, which frequently conflicts with the American state's actions.

Moreover, Europeans know that America is much stronger than any European state. As it is the American government who have to take most of the hard decisions in the political world, they get all the blame for any bad things that ever happen; while the good things that the USA does are taken for granted, and ignored. This is caused by the political impotence of Europe’s political elite. They cannot or will not make any serious attempt to solve the world’s problems or threats to their own security. America does this for them. The result?

The situation might be compared with a spoiled child who takes for granted all the toys, clothes and food he normally gets, but screams his head off that one time he doesn't get what he asked for. The child might say "that's not fair, I hate you". The analogy gets even better, because like the spoiled child and the indulgent parent, Western Europe thinks that the USA really won't do anything about it, and so whinging carries little risk. Under Bush, America has taken a tougher line. Hence, Europe has been forced into a transitional phase, comparable with the psychological state of this child between thinking the parent won't respond, and the realization that the parent is taking a tougher line. Hence hatred now is at its height.

CLASH OF VALUES

As mentioned above, and so often emphasized elsewhere, there is an apparent clash of values between America and “Europe” (i.e. Western Continental Europe). To understand why this is, you have to go back in part to the Second World War.

In the early 20th century, a number of what we would now call right and left wing philosophies floated around the universities and social clubs of Europe. The economic and social tensions generated by the Great War and the Great Depression elevated these into mainstream political life. While Russia fell under Communists after the Great War, fascist took Italy, and the two ideologies clashed in other nations like France, Germany and, more violently, Spain. By the early 1940s, all of Europe except the British Isles and Sweden were under the grip of one of these ideologies. Both of these ideologies relegated or even persecuted Christianity, marginalizing it in much of the European mind. However, fascism lost the war, and hence, thereafter, the propaganda battle. For the West, the conquering Americans proceeded to reindoctrinate them. Western Europe experienced a revival of political, this time American inspired liberalism. Ever since, continental Europe has been suspicious of the right, and hostile to the far-right. The inability of western European countries to maintain their colonial empires, further undermined right-leaning nationalistic sentiment. Far-leftism, on the other hand, suffered no such fate. Although W. Europe for the most part rejected the Soviet Union and its policies while embracing American hyper-capitalism, leftism never got tabooed. This is what one might call “the Fascist Experience”.

America, on the other hand, did not suffer so much. Political moderation was and remains the norm in America. As America has remained stable, Western Europe has moved further and further to the left. As things now stand, America seems extreme through many W. European eyes. As far as much of the European chattering classes are concerned. Here, it is necessary to explain leftist psychology.

European leftist political philosophy subscribes heavily to “Liberal Universalism”. They believe that all people and cultures should be treated equally. In this, they do not differ too much from the American mainstream. However, where there is a difference is in the psychological roots and precise nature of this philosophy’s application. European cultural universalism is rooted in what one might call “autophobia” (fear or hatred of the self). What started nearly a century ago as doubting the superiority of Western civilization has been transformed into hating Western civilization. What’s more, liberalism condemns any Master-Slave/Exploiter-Exploited/Strong-Weak relationship. This is “kratophobia”, (fear or hatred of the powerful); Kratophobia, like Autophobia, exists among leftist elites everywhere in the West. Both act as mutual sources of reinforcement.

One way they reinforce each other is Colonial Guilt. The European middle classes feel extremely guilty about colonial exploitation. The “Fascist Experience” made Europeans reassess the morality of Colonialism, and made them react especially strongly to its practice. Colonialism was not only wrong, but Europeans (or White Christians) were bad because they practised it. Europe’s modern history put Europeans on the wrong side of the historical relationships mentioned above, and are thus an object of Kratophobia; and, hence, Europeans are also an object of European autophobia because Europeans themselves are to blame.

Another way is through dislike for Christianity. The experience of the early 20th century destroyed may of the religious structures of Europe, and the sufferings led millions to re-examine their faith. Science has also come into it, because in Europe science and religion are usually seen as mutually exclusive. Bearing this assumption, and faced with the compelling logic of western science, much of the educated and non-educated European population has abandoned real commitment to Christianity or even totally disavowed it. It was not even mentioned in the recent EU constitution. Moreover, Christianity is tied up in the European historical mind with Western supremacy. Hence, it also falls on the wrong side of the above mention anathematic historical relationships. This is compounded by and tied up with the view that religion itself is also exploitative. This means that the European leftist elite is actually hostile to Christianity, and hence even more so to the West. Again, kratophobia and autophobia reinforce each other.

A third way they reinforce each other is environmental carelessness. Man’s assault on the Earth’s environment is not only a cause of great concern to left. It’s a cause of concern for everyone, but the left are particularly paranoid about the topic (perhaps rightly, perhaps not). Besides mere practical concern, environmental exploitation stirs up feelings of both kratophobia and autophobia; the former because animals, plants and the earth are being damaged; and the latter because man, particularly capitalistic western man, is doing it.

A final way they reinforce each other, although to a lesser degree, is warfare. The horrific carnage of the Great War (1914-18) bred “polemophobia” (fear or hatred of war) into the W. European psyche. By 1939, much of W.Europe simply surrendered rather than fight the Nazis. They were liberated by the Americans and Russians (the former did not experience the carnage, and the latter was too undemocratic and ideological to be effected in the long-term). Ever since, W.Europeans have been protected by America. They have never needed to fight another war, and thus European society has never needed to counter its polemophobia. The attitude has monopolized a large part of the psyche of Europe’s elite.

These reasons help to further explain European (and international leftist) hostility to America. America is seen as an exploitative society. American elites exploit their own poor as well as the international poor, especially Third World Nations. America is often portrayed as a society based on slavery and infested with racial intolerance and exploitation. Almost as bad, America is a self-confidently Christian society. This allows Europeans elites to further the image of America as a stupid society. American society is a polluting society, seen as so wrapped up in its own vanity and arrogance, and so controlled by evil capitalists, that it is negligent about these effects. America is also seen as a cynical, bullying, warmongering society. European leftists rejoice in recounting the numerous “evil wars” America has fought or invasions it has led in the past few decades, such as in Indo-China and the Americas.


BUSH

So, for all these reasons, Bush has been a particularly sore inspiration for anti-Americanism. He is perceived a modern colonialist, as a Christian, as an anti-environmentalist and as a warmonger. What’s more, the portrait of Bush as a thicko reinforces older European attitudes about Americans. However, the attitude has neither been caused by Bush, nor will it disappear after him.

WHY DO EUROPEANS SEEM TO HATE AMERICA SO MUCH?

Anti-Americanism in Europe has its roots in the success of American culture and the American state. This brings out insecurities everywhere, including Europe; and it brings out European elitist attitudes to culture, remoulded, diverted and diversified in appeal, towards America. It also has its roots in European political impotency. So long as Europe has so little power and responsibility, it has no reason to check its leftist utopianism with reality. As with a spoiled child to his indulgent parent, so Europe’s first reaction to anything remotely bad done by America is a ludicrous fit of anger. As America has so much responsibility, and has acquired so much more since the fall of the Soviet Union, it has and is bound to inspire lots of these fits.
 
Great post! Very well thought out and well written. Unfortunately, you're probably going to be burnt alive (figuratively) by the Europeans here once they start posting... :( good luck, anyways! :)
 
To quote my good friend wyrm:

wyrm said:
"What is wrong with you Americans? Didn't you see the poll the rest of the world ran? We elected Kerry by a 4-to-1 margin. Why won't you do the same?"

Fine. If you think you can choose our leaders for us. We get to choose yours for you. Fair's fair.
 
I am too lazy to respond, so i'll watch the others tearing it to pieces ;)

Something is well said, the rest of it is too simplified and biased, IMO :)
 
Ebitdadada said:
I agree with a good deal of your points, not all of them though. I do offer my moral support in the great argument to come. Good luck and god speed. :D

Winner said:
I am too lazy to respond, so i'll watch the others tearing it to pieces ;)

Something is well said, the rest of it is too simplified and biased, IMO :)

Hundegesicht said:
Great post! Very well thought out and well written. Unfortunately, you're probably going to be burnt alive (figuratively) by the Europeans here once they start posting... :( good luck, anyways! :)

Well, thanks for all the moral support. But you know, I think I will let other people defend me. If this thread has any life in it, then it's not gonna be just me versus everyone else; that's simply because I'm too busy over the next few days. I'm sure I have some knights out there who'll defend me :D

But I will try to respond to such things as direct requests for clarification. ;)

Anyway, that's 2000 words written in an hour or so; so, if it didn't have probelms, I'd be shocked. Anyway, I always like constructive criticism. After all, how can one really learn about the world without listening to other people? :)
 
Hundegesicht said:
Great post! Very well thought out and well written. Unfortunately, you're probably going to be burnt alive (figuratively) by the Europeans here once they start posting... :( good luck, anyways! :)

Why would we burn him alive?

I think your post have some good points, calgacus, but from my perspective it is taking it a bit too extreme. First of all I don't think the hatred is so deep as you believe. Second, regarding culture, so what if american culture becomes more dominant in europe. Some may not like it, but the fact that it is increasingly taking over european culture means that the majority of people over here have a demand for it. Simple as that. Blame them, not america.

Regarding value-clash, I also think this is overrated. Compare the US to other cultures than the western, and I believe you'll see that the gap between us is really very small.

On the other hand, I have no doubts that Europe have more radical lefties (who tend to despise the US) than the US, wich on the other hand have more radical righties (who OTOH tend to despise Europe). Most of us are fairly moderate, though.. On both sides of the lake :)
 
Excellent post, good luck when the cannibals start to rip you apart :D
 
Cilpot said:
Why would we burn him alive?

Sorry, I didn't mean all Europeans. I was referring to a certain handful of people... to be polite I won't name them, though you'll know of whom I speak later into the thread.
 
That sounds good but I don't know any Europeans so I can't judge how much is based in reality.
 
Calgacus, I aggree with most of what you said, but I've got another take that's partially related. This view of mine no doubt comes from my being descended from a long line of warriors and revolutionaries (dating back to the fall of the Western Roman Empire, an event that my ancestors helped bring about...).

What I believe in part is that this has to do with the class-based mentality that still seems to permeate Western Europe as a whole. After almost 3000 years of aristocratic rule, it only makes sense that such a mind set would be hard to give up.

Then in 1775, you have these colonies in the new world rebel against their mother country, and in 1781, form a government that is not only democratic, but forbids class distinction or its citizens to carry any title of nobility. A nation of "peasants" as far as the rest of Europe was concerned. But that nation of peasants has proven itself both powerful AND resilient, and even though the European upper crust, many of whom are still members of or descended from some kind of hereditary nobility, wouldn't give the time of day to the lower class peasants in their own countries, let alone some upstart nation in the Americas.

Now, fast forward almost 200 years to World War I and World War II. Both times, if it weren't for American intervention, the entire continent would have fallen to the would-be conquerors. This, of course, forced these aristocrats to finally acknowledge the US as, at the very least, political equals. Having to acknowlege whom they consider the lower class bugs those types of elitists to no end, so in order to make themselves feel better, they began passing and perpetuating rumors of American stupididy and ignorance, a tradition that seems to be quite alive and well.

What I've said may seem accusatory, but it's based on my own personal experience. While the French politicians and snobby rich Parisians may curse our bones, all the French people from rural France, and the poorer areas are actually downright friendly. Same goes for experiences my German professor related during German classes in college (the 3 semesters I attended, anyways), and other stories I've read in newspapers, magazines and other sources. Then I began to think why the governments and famous aristocrats in these countries are always saying nasty stuff about us, and the middle class and poor people aren't (and in fact doing the exact opposite in many cases). Then I remember an episode of an old British comedy called "Are You Being Served?" that I saw once. During that show, a good many of the jokes were based on class differences and certain charachters being overly class conscious, and that's when it hit me. This is just a continuation of the old 14th century mindset of the "nobility" looking down upon the "peasants."

Personally, I'd like to see the kind of brick that the European nations would crap if we actually said, "Know what? You're right, we don't have any business sticking our noses into other peoples' business. So tell you what, we'll just pull all our troops out and let YOU pay for defending YOUR countries by yourselves. Oh, and by the way, you know that Marshall plan where we gave you all that money to rebuild after World War II? Well, we want you guys to pay that back. With interest."

So, basically to sum this up, it's mainly the elitists and their ilk that seem to be stirring up this particular hornet nest.

Oh, and sorry Calgacus, I just couldn't resist: :D

Americans should realize that expanding American cultural influence threatens Europe's distinctive cultures; or, at least as perceptions go, appears to threaten them. As far as many Europeans are concerned, American cultural influence is eroding the many proud and diverse cultures of Europe.

Sooo.... You're saying that America might just score a 100,000 point Cultural victory before 2050? :lol:
 
Oh, and by the way, you know that Marshall plan where we gave you all that money to rebuild after World War II? Well, we want you guys to pay that back. With interest."

I like the sound of THAT :)
 
Ok, I'll break it down to pieces, as there's a "boredom" from others to do so. I'll be the first EUC(European Union of Communism) that will be burn alive! :D
calgacus said:
Americans should realize that expanding American cultural influence threatens Europe's distinctive cultures; or, at least as perceptions go, appears to threaten them.
Yes, to some extent, BUT, they could never be compared with each other, for the simple reason that 95% of the Culture History has come from the EU and nearby countries, so, it's not even a competition(hear voices saying: you smart...).

May I JUST ask what do you consider as Culture in general, and as the Culture of the U.S?
calgacus said:
Expensive American movies are sold cheaply in the European market, making it extremely difficult for native industries to compete.
That is simple propaganda, I'd say: perhaps you could come to the EU, go into different Cinema/Theatre in different countries, and see what movies they play.
I guarantee you that 80-90% of the movies are U.S movies coming from big Hollywood studios that an independent producer could never compete with(at least in the money needed, not the quality ;) )
calgacus said:
While Americans blame failed liberal social policies, European parents blame the insidious influence of American culture for the social problems of their children and wider society. Although the people of Europe love American popular culture, their proud elites hate it.
First: there're no ghettos in the EU, the way they are in the U.S, with all that gang-bullying and killings and drugs. The people here do not accept that easily gangs ruining their neighborhoods, and the kids, of course, do not hang around with gangs or do they have them as their images(logical, when you don't hang around with them).
calgacus said:
Moreover, Americans must understand that much of Europe's cultural attitude is rooted in social elitism. Hence, not only do European elites hate American popular culture, they despise it; and they despise it precisely because it comes in the popular form. This, however, generates negative stereotypes and attitudes which filter down to the masses.
This is correct and wrong: A negative U.S culture example(in the eyes of the EU citizens) is the myths of the brave and courageous cowboys when the U.S had it's mess; "pistoleros" are seen as pure murderers and alcoholics here(in the western movies).
It's just that the EU citizens can't understand how murderers, who killed each other just to see who would shoot first and how fast - are seen as "myths" today(by a significant part of the U.S people, though I could be wrong in this).
calgacus said:
They do not understand that American elites despise McDonalds and Hollywood blockbusters just as much as they do.
If it is so, I gladly admit that we were wrong about the U.S citizens.
calgacus said:
Along with American culture, the political power of the American state also contributes to European dislike of America. Europeans elites see themselves as political equals, at the very least, of the USA.
I agree on this, and I'd like to add that, most countries here refuse to accept that their glory-days are behind and that they should look forward, that's why the EU isn't so united.
calgacus said:
They do not expect America to ignore them. When it does, America is seen as arrogant.
True, but all know the power of the U.S.
calgacus said:
Western Europeans see themselves as the judges of the world.
I could say that the U.S is the only judge in the world.
calgacus said:
Every time that the USA does something that the majority of the European chattering class disagree with, another few hatred points are added to the American scorecard.
Every time the U.S treats the international laws and the U.N like garbage, it's logical for to react like that - they don't broke the laws.
calgacus said:
What makes this worse, is that orthodox western European political philosophy is rooted in leftist ideology, which frequently conflicts with the American state's actions.
I doubt that there're so many orthodox in the western EU.
In Greece, the orthodox church was always with the conservatives, and it even went with the fascists of the dictatorship the U.S had established.
calgacus said:
As it is the American government who have to take most of the hard decisions in the political world, they get all the blame for any bad things that ever happen; while the good things that the USA does are taken for granted, and ignored.
"Bad things" are called the anarchy the U.S established when treated the U.N like garbage.
As for the good things, I certainly admit that sometimes are ignored.
calgacus said:
This is caused by the political impotence of Europe’s political elite. They cannot or will not make any serious attempt to solve the world’s problems or threats to their own security. America does this for them. The result?
I don't believe that we should blame the U.S for the some idiotic and stupid EU leaders that look only their part, make the EU to not be united, and then accuse the U.S of their problems - fair enough.
calgacus said:
As America has remained stable, Western Europe has moved further and further to the left. As things now stand, America seems extreme through many W. European eyes. As far as much of the European chattering classes are concerned.
Oh, I forgot that a "liberal" is called "commie" by the U.S, "he should be sent to the electric chair".

The U.S hasn't capitalism, but it took SEVERAL steps further and formed the most extreme capitalism the world has known. If someone considers things like welfare as EVIL, that tells much for the person, let aside all the hypocritic good-Christian values.

Enough for now; your post is like a huge map in Civ ;)

P.S.: go, "REDS", go!(I mean, the team) :)
 
Hikaro Takayama said:
Oh, and by the way, you know that Marshall plan where we gave you all that money to rebuild after World War II? Well, we want you guys to pay that back. With interest."
ol:

Problem is, due to the longer compounding period, we'd probably end up owing the French a great deal more than all of Europe owes us. :D

Spose we could try it though. :p
 
King Alexander said:
I doubt that there're so many orthodox in the western EU.
In Greece, the orthodox church was always with the conservatives, and it even went with the fascists of the dictatorship the U.S had established.
Perhaps I could enlighten you on this, since there are so few Orthodox church members in Western Europe (and America), the term "orthodox" has been used to mean extreme or strict.
 
h4ppy said:
Perhaps I could enlighten you on this, since there are so few Orthodox church members in Western Europe (and America), the term "orthodox" has been used to mean extreme or strict.
But in any case, PURE!!!!!!!!!! :D !!!

Thank you for my "Enlightment" my son :goodjob:
 
er, calgacus ment Orthodox as in "Normal", or "Common". For example, Orthodox construction methods means common construction methods. Unorthodox means ununual construction methods etc.

By the way Hikaro Takayama, very good for your first post in Off-Topic my friend.
 
Cal are you sure people in Europe actually hate America? I like to moan about some of the things its government does but to actually hate the country itself is quite frankly pathetic.
 
About Europeans "resenting" America because of its power:

There is something on it. But the roots are in different view of Europe and US to world security:

Europe promotes so called collective, maybe global, security, while US promote its national security. This is because of the biggest relative power of United states - with so good army and so big economic potential, they are less willing to negotiate and if they negotiate, they use threats and "power-pressure" as a normal method of diplomacy.

Europe prefer compromises, collective decisions and diplomacy, because:
a) Europe is more legitimate in the World than US and many states are more willing to accept Europe because of its apparent peaceful nature.
b) Europe is not capable of military strikes, co it adopts policy of "weak".

Europe acts in international relations as a realist, it is trying to make "trade routes" ;) with other civ and improve realations this way :)
 
It might have to do with the fact that Americans are notorious for hoarding everything and butting into everything. We do consume twenty-five percent of the world's resources.
 
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