Why I support Affirmitive Action, and why you should too..

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I got a relatively "progressive" school. The exit polling at my school for the California primary elections, 81% voted for Obama, 9% for Hillary. Only 10% voted for Republican primary, with most going to McCain. Needless to say, UCLA is overwhelmingly liberal. However, what I know is an issue that commonly angers most "liberals" is Affirmative Action. I've seen stereotypical code-pink liberals denounce Affirmative Action with the same veracity as any right-winger.

I've always found it kind of strange. California is one of the most, if not the most liberal states in the Union. However, some time ago, Californians voted to ban Affirmative Action. Needless to say, this never stopped most public universities like UCLA or UC Berkeley to continue the process. From pressure within the Democratic party (in order to pick up minority votes), Affirmative Action is alive and well, under different names and loopholes, but it still exists.

Why do so many college age liberals oppose AA? It mostly stems from the rigorous admissions process. Anyone who's applied to a decent school can probably agree, the process is very stressful and uncertain. Kids, because of pressure by parents and peers, essentially spend their whole life trying to get accepted into a good university. I was loaded on heroin during most of the application process, so it wasn't really that bad for me; however, needless to say, seeing a lot of my friends become nervous wrecks waiting to hear from their schools certainly proves how uneasy everyone is.

The argument is as follows: I've spent my whole life trying hard in high school, and it's not fair that someone who is less qualified than me might have a chance at stealing my spot at a good school.

In essence this is a highly self-serving and hypocritical argument. Being a progressive means you must sacrifice something in order to improve society; usually this means money through taxes, but sometimes a more personal sacrifice is needed. I find it kind of sad that the first time that someone has a chance to make a personal sacrifice to improve society, no matter how small or perceived it is, "liberals" instead choose to complain and whine about inequalities.

People probably know all the arguments for AA. It helps people and societies that don't have the same opportunities as other students do. I grew up in a upper class town, attending a very good high school. I've had councilors, AP classes, and good teachers. I didn't have to deal with gang violence, a decaying school system, and having to provide to feed my family. I find it disgusting when people from my area complain that someone that "didn't deserve it" attends their school. Most people that have gotten in through AA programs deserve to attend their school a lot more than some of these whiny, entitled, rich white kids.

More importantly, AA helps improve our societies. By allowing people growing up in poorer parts of the nation or state a chance to improve their home with their superior education, we ensure that our society benefits.

I find the rabid opposition against AA very selfish and hypocritical, especially from self proclaimed liberals and progressives. It's time to reevaluate Affirmative Action and realize the benefits it has for our society in general instead of overly focusing on simply one period if your life wherein you may have a small chance of not getting exactly what is expected.

Why don't more people support AA?
 
I wouldn't mind AA if it was based on income level, or living with a single parent. But its based on race.
 
I wouldn't mind AA if it was based on income level, or living with a single parent. But its based on race.

A lot of the time that is the case; most of the times it is the minorities that are based on income level and benefit from Affirmative Action. Minority communities need leaders to come back and improve their regions. This wont exactly work with white communities.
 
I want to get things just because I'm white!
 
More importantly, AA helps improve our societies. By allowing people growing up in poorer parts of the nation or state a chance to improve their home with their superior education, we ensure that our society benefits.

I would support AA if it wasn't based on race, but rather what you just said above.
 
A lot of the time that is the case; most of the times it is the minorities that are based on income level and benefit from Affirmative Action. Minority communities need leaders to come back and improve their regions. This wont exactly work with white communities.
Why would it work with one poor community and not another?

Why should skin color have any bearing on who gets aid?
 
If Affirmative Action was based on income level, you might have some sort of point. But instead, it's based off of race, which is just stupid. For instance: The idea that Colin Powell's children are less fortunate (And thus, more in need of a helping hand) than I just because they're black is ridiculous on its face. Under the current system, blacks that don't need help get it - and whites that do, don't.

If the point is to build a better society, and not just to punish white people, then the current system is indefensible. Restructure it so that it's based on income - so that the poor have equal opportunities with the rich, regardless of race or ethnicity or gender or sexuality or whatever - and maybe people would be less opposed to it. As it is, it's just racist.
 
The argument is as follows: I've spent my whole life trying hard in high school, and it's not fair that someone who is less qualified than me might have a chance at stealing my spot at a good school.

For me, this is half true. I don't consider AA 'stealing my spot' at any good school. The point that I find objectionable is that someone with a 163 LSAT and a 2.8 GPA can get into Harvard and someone with a 155 LSAT can get into Fordham simply because of their skin color and quotas (while ignoring low income). People who didn't care enough to receive better grades should not be treated equal as people who actually worked harder and better to get their grades. It is simply not fair in a world where we supposedly are required almost legally to treat everyone as equals.
 
A lot of the time that is the case; most of the times it is the minorities that are based on income level and benefit from Affirmative Action. Minority communities need leaders to come back and improve their regions. This wont exactly work with white communities.

That's BS. Maybe one or two ultra-liberal California schools may have policies like that, but everyone else is playing a complex game of meeting linear programming (go look up the term in wikipedia) with multiple quota constraints:

1. All students need to have a high probability of performing well.
2. Funding. This means that some students must have rich families that will provide them with full tuition and possibly be or become more generous with the school afterwards. This means legacy admission and preference for people with money.
3. Poor people quota. Schools don't want to be seen as only for rich folks, so a substantial portion of their students must be poor to fit that statistic. Because of constraint 1, this admission group is usually over-represented by Asians and Eastern Europeans.
4. Affirmative Action. Schools need a percentage of blacks and hispanics, even if just to show that they tried. This is accomplished by aggressively recruiting foreign students that happen to be black, because again, constraint 1 needs to be enforced.
5. Sports Quota. Schools want to show that their students are not all cubicle nerds. This constraint usually has a negative correlation with constraint 1 and indeed the only one that is allowed to break constraint 1. 'Athletic scholarship' itself is an oxymoron.
6. International Quota. Schools want to show that their reach is global. This group has a high correlation with constraint 1. International students always tend to work harder.

Your main point was that most schools really do try to reach constraints 3 and 4. However, the problem is that the students they admit due to constraint 4 tend correlate negatively with the people they admit due to constraint 3, due to the almost absolute need to meet constraint 1. Rather, they have considerable overlap with those used to meet constraints 5 and 6. Sure, they admit blacks, but never because they are also poor but because they can fit onto your sports team or they are an international student.

Of course, they will always recruit that one or two 'exceptions' to show to the newspapers now and then. In thew aftermath of the Virginia Tech shootings, did anyone find it curious that all the 24 hour cable new shows continually highlighted how one of the victims is black and did did well there, in a tech school. It was a horrible tragedy, but the portrayal of the black student as the most notable victim of the shooter was scarcely an accident.
 
Affirmative Action is racist. Fullstop.

Exactly.

A multicultal society Will allways have different disputes between the ethnic groups. There will allways be differences. The bias in American society to wards white people is racist against other ethnic groups. I don`t see why it is better that we have a society where different groups don`t get along. Why we have a society where the minorities have to suffer from discrimination on a day to day baisis and the majority has to suffer from AA and crimes commited by desperate minorities. This threatens meritocracy and holds people back. Smart blacks can`t reach theeir potential because of the poor environment in the ghettoes. Whites can`t reach their potential because they lost their seat at uni because of his race. The only way to solve these problems would be to end multiculturalism. Each people should have their own country. There would be no racism, no affermative action, no hate crimes.
 
Exactly.

A multicultal society Will allways have different disputes between the ethnic groups. There will allways be differences. The bias in American society to wards white people is racist against other ethnic groups. I don`t see why it is better that we have a society where different groups don`t get along. Why we have a society where the minorities have to suffer from discrimination on a day to day baisis and the majority has to suffer from AA and crimes commited by desperate minorities. This threatens meritocracy and holds people back. Smart blacks can`t reach theeir potential because of the poor environment in the ghettoes. Whites can`t reach their potential because they lost their seat at uni because of his race. The only way to solve these problems would be to end multiculturalism. Each people should have their own country. There would be no racism, no affermative action, no hate crimes.

I've never had my position so quickly permutated. Quotas for everyone!
 
I wouldn't mind so much(to a certain extent) if it was structured around income. A middle class black family shouldn't get more government education handouts over a white trailer trash family. Affirmative action based on race just royally screws poor white people
 
The argument is as follows: I've spent my whole life trying hard in high school, and it's not fair that someone who is less qualified than me might have a chance at stealing my spot at a good school.

In essence this is a highly self-serving and hypocritical argument. Being a progressive means you must sacrifice something in order to improve society; usually this means money through taxes, but sometimes a more personal sacrifice is needed. I find it kind of sad that the first time that someone has a chance to make a personal sacrifice to improve society, no matter how small or perceived it is, "liberals" instead choose to complain and whine about inequalities.

Giving up my spot in college to someone who's less qualified yet black does not "improve society."

People probably know all the arguments for AA. It helps people and societies that don't have the same opportunities as other students do. I grew up in a upper class town, attending a very good high school. I've had councilors, AP classes, and good teachers. I didn't have to deal with gang violence, a decaying school system, and having to provide to feed my family. I find it disgusting when people from my area complain that someone that "didn't deserve it" attends their school. Most people that have gotten in through AA programs deserve to attend their school a lot more than some of these whiny, entitled, rich white kids.

Except that, for the most part, affirmative action isn't given out based on how poor your or what how bad your neighborhood is... it's given out based on what race you are. How do you justify affirmative action being based on race?
 
I always put down 'white/Caucasian,' when I could get away with it. The only reason I do this is avoid the 'benefits.' I'd rather be at a disadvantage than an advantage.

I can't do that with 'white w/o Hispanic origin,' though.

No thanks on government assistance to get into a school/job. I know plenty of minorities insulted by the AA program.
 
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