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I am quite curious about modern Korean religious beliefs.
Morningcalm have you any idea how religion is treated in Korea(or maybe South Korea to be acturate). Which religion do Koreans follow? Buddhism Taoism Confucism or others?

I didnt read all 8 pages, so I'm not sure exactly why this came up.

For pure FYI.

These are not actual statistics, just from my memory.

South Korea
50% Atheist or near that category.
On the other half, the (slight?) majority Christians, rest Buddhism.
Not really under the impression Taoism or Confucian is an actual religion. Its more like a philosophy not religion. For example, Korean Language is a language where we can see various levels of respect. This is probably influenced by Confucianism, but its not where we believe "Once there was a Confucian Deity, cured us, blessed us, blah blah". (Please don't quote me, just get the general idea)

Well we might say 50% Atheist fall into the Confucian or Taoism etc category. Most do ceremonials for the deceased on special occasions and stuff like that.

North Korea
Religion = Kim jong il and family.

Actually, I remember various sources(documentaries, testimonials etc) where people(especially children) hide pages of the Bible(easier to hide I guess). When caught, they get to be "Mind Purified" at the North Korean version Gulag.
 
I am quite curious about modern Korean religious beliefs.
Morningcalm have you any idea how religion is treated in Korea(or maybe South Korea to be acturate). Which religion do Koreans follow? Buddhism Taoism Confucism or others?
Religion is still quite widespread, and I would say on the whole Koreans are spiritual, though not necessarily religious. Buddhism is very popular, as is Christianity. Confucianist attitudes still govern some of the cultural norms in Korea, esp. with regard to the hierarchical structure of various white-collar work institutions. That said, Korea is nothing if not ambitious, and it's become quite its own creature religiously.

Very entertaining read. Thanks for teaching me so much about Korean history. It's always entertaining to talk to patriotic people. Btw: Was patriotism invented by Koreans too?

What I did, btw. is give my first thought to your remarks. What you (successfully) did is pointing out that there are other birds than sparrow, crow and duck. Lots of birds. And I am sure the number of different species even surpasses the number of countries and/or civilizations that COULD be included in a video game.
Patriotism wasn't invented by Koreans. There's more reason to believe it was invented by the West as a term, as it is, last I checked, an English word. :)

Of course there are many birds in the sky. Each is worth their own, and I would say that for such a small bird, Korea flies quite high, as it's among the "four tigers" of Asia.

Yes, I lived in South Korea for 6 years and am somewhat well versed in the language and history. Certainly not an expert by any means anyway.

Roh Moo Yung was an awful president. He bent over backwards for North Korea.

I never claimed that Yi Soon Shin invented the turtle ships. I merely was saying that the design for armoured ships was being used in China and Japan around that time. There is absolutely no evidence that Korea was first anyway.

As far as metal type goes I wouldn't exactly call it an invention. It was certainly an improvement on existing technology though. I dislike hearing some Koreans saying that Koreans invented the printing press as that is untrue.

As for Americans killing Korean civilians, many Korean civilians were also killed by Koreans. You might also want to look at the war atrocities committed by South Koreans in Vietnam.
Agreed on Roh. That said it's a bit odd people know of the truly brutal leaders more than the peaceable leaders. More foreigners know Kim Jong Il than Sejong.

I never claimed that you claimed Yi Sunshin invented them, either, but I did point out that the Japanese ships that were armored that you talked about were probably around the 16th century, which was the time of the Imjin Wars. You are talking about atakabune, right? Not sure about Chinese armored ships, though. If you point out a name, I'll look it up! :)

But anyhoo, I mentioned that Yi Sunshin didn't invent them to point out the Turtle Ships were invented many years before the date most associate with their invention. Just in case that was where you got the Chinese/Japanese armored ship dates from.

Well, metal printing type is as much an invention as the typewriter was. Sure , one could argue the fine points and say it's more an innovation than an invention--but to invent means to "originate or create as a product of one's own ingenuity, experimentation, or contrivance," (according to dictionary.com), and I do believe metal printing type was new at the time, and created by Korean ingenuity.

Yes, Korean soldiers I'm sure committed atrocities too. I was merely pointing out one reason why some Koreans seem to resent Americans so much in contemporary times, and by extension why they have difficulty acknowledging American aid for S. Korea.

6 years is quite a while! Hope you enjoyed your time in Korea, and weren't looked at nastily by xenophobes. Fortunately, Korea (or at least Seoul) is more international than it used to be, so Koreans I think are coming to a slow realization foreigners are necessary and beneficial in some categories. The government seems to think so, anyway (hence new legislation on hiring foreign "experts").

I, also Korean, very much understand your hope for Korea being an independant Civ. However, actually taking a negative stance against other "Civilizations" to promote another is actually spitting in your face. (Many people will probably just wave this thread away, but it will do more harm than good)

Every nation, culture and Civilization have its own unique points. Although it might be possible to make an argument that one is better than another, that kind of stance is exactly what creates Hitler or Hirohito.

And one more thing. People out there defending North Korea, are you serious. What? North Korea is not starving? Loving your country and saying "pants on fire" political statements without facts is self inflicting damage.
Agreed, 100%. Some Koreans feel the need to degrade other countries' achievements in the name of patriotism, which can only serve to cause further rifts in the Far East. As the rifts are big already, there's no need to widen the maws of hatred further.
 
Yes, Korean soldiers I'm sure committed atrocities too. I was merely pointing out one reason why some Koreans seem to resent Americans so much in contemporary times, and by extension why they have difficulty acknowledging American aid for S. Korea.

The main reason for the rising resentment is the news media and how events spread over the internet.
Just decades ago, if some drunk US soldiers had a good time outside their base, raped some schoolgirls or crushed other civilians to death with their jeeps, the news (and the fact the the soldiers in question were immune to korean prosecution) was quickly hushed up.
Nowadays you can rage on about US rapists for AGES and thus resentment grows.
The reports of how american rape/murder/torture culture spreads in iraq and afghanistan doesn't help improve their image in the eyes of enraged koreans either.

Blame it on the internets!
 
Koreans, especially the OP, lets not create threads like this.

I, also Korean, very much understand your hope for Korea being an independant Civ. However, actually taking a negative stance against other "Civilizations" to promote another is actually spitting in your face. (Many people will probably just wave this thread away, but it will do more harm than good)

Every nation, culture and Civilization have its own unique points. Although it might be possible to make an argument that one is better than another, that kind of stance is exactly what creates Hitler or Hirohito.

And one more thing. People out there defending North Korea, are you serious. What? North Korea is not starving? Loving your country and saying "pants on fire" political statements without facts is self inflicting damage.

i havent entirely read the whole post in the thread when i post my latest post, yes to be fair. But i do can measure where this things goes, Pan-ism, i already accounter one nation (i wont mention the name) Panism that belive they kind of Sycthian descandent and all nation and religion is found originally by their superrior ancestor and other have this athalantic delusion. It really close to facism, and all country have their own facism and racism, and im againts it, sick of it, eventhough im not the victim of such act but reading history i just cant help myself being disgust by it.

But this quotation, its touch me really, and this is how human suppose to threat another human and culture, recognizing another strenght, so we can learn from each-other diversity, and unique culture. And this can be implemented, if we can accept other stand equaly with us and wash all the inferior complex that hidden behind our megalomaniac behavior.

weldone lovexylitol, i hope more other follow your foot step.
 
for afghan and iraq problem, to be fair, the goverment who send their civilian and military for being a bullet victim wastefully also to be blaim in my humble oppinion. Other should follow the example of spain and dutch who already take off their troops from Afgan and Iraq, this war is really so wrong.
 
yes you are right but i would hope most people understood what i ment.
Acctualy you are right about what is now Soviet Union and wrong about Mongols :D At least according to maps at Wikipedia Mongols dominated whole far east (BTW I also thought that everything from China and below to east from India is SE Asia) and much of what is now CIS (the new cool name for Russian dominated world, conviniently excludes Baltic States, which apparently were never part of Mongol Empire). So they happened to cover more territory than the largest modern country, in fact they might very well be the largest empire that has ever existed.
 
anyway, everyone knows djinghis khan. and the most famous korean right now is probably Rain, and I can't picture him in CiV. :)

And to those who now say "Rain who?": He beat Stephen Colbert in the Times' most influential persons list. :P
 
lol, noone can declare war on them?

very imbalanced.

how about this: Unique Ability - United Nations Veto - South Korea is not allowed to use nucliar weapons, and is also not allowed to win with a Science Victory.
 
Lol Zimmah. The original UA suggestion was frankly hilarious. But Koreans should be scientific! Frankly I think the Koreans should be engineered to do better for peaceful strats, and their military units should be flexible, but much stronger on defense and sorta meh on offense, imo.

Korean specialties:
-Archery (Hwarang, use of gunpowder rockets, winning contemporary archery events at the Olympics many times :D)
-Science (Huge emphasis on research, education and literacy in the ancient and contemporary Korea.)
-Defensive military (Contemporary tension with North Korea, frequent historical invasions from China and Japan meant they HAD to have a strong army. Koryo and Choson armies had nice ranged units and cannons, Goguryeo had powerful cataphract-like horsemen)
-Commercialism (Current day Seoul *nuff said,* and Korea as a whole, Koreans in the U.S. are almost all white-collar, and go overseas to become educated so as to get to a white collar job that pays well.)

So some Civ 5 UA should account for some of these, and any that are left should be picked up by UUs and UBs. Korea in Civ IV imo was poorly represented, in part because the leader Wang Kon was more a military leader than a "protective, commercial" leader. I hardly think someone who overthrows a dynasty can be called "commercial" lol. I think it was more a reflection of current-day Korea.
 
I dont see how korea ever affected the world as the mongols did.
Furthermore there are many more important civilizations that should be added before Korea i think.
I am very suprised Spain is not in the game though.
They have had a huge impact in the course of the european history together with England and France for many centuries, and they were the ones that defeated both the aztecs and inca civilization, aswell as being the driving force in exploring the american continents, early on.(just look at how many south american countries that speaks spanish today.)

lf the dutch.

-we found new york under the name of new amsterdam
-Statistically, the VOC eclipsed all of its rivals in the Asia trade
-etc

;)
 
I swear the Dutch UA will include the following: "Great Merchant generation rate increased by 50%"

The UA could be called "Tulip Times" or "The Flower Market Bubble". Jk. :)

I would also bet good money that Korea's UA will be called "Morning Calm."
 
Lol Zimmah. The original UA suggestion was frankly hilarious. But Koreans should be scientific! Frankly I think the Koreans should be engineered to do better for peaceful strats, and their military units should be flexible, but much stronger on defense and sorta meh on offense, imo.

Korean specialties:
-Archery (Hwarang, use of gunpowder rockets, winning contemporary archery events at the Olympics many times :D)
-Science (Huge emphasis on research, education and literacy in the ancient and contemporary Korea.)
-Defensive military (Contemporary tension with North Korea, frequent historical invasions from China and Japan meant they HAD to have a strong army. Koryo and Choson armies had nice ranged units and cannons, Goguryeo had powerful cataphract-like horsemen)
-Commercialism (Current day Seoul *nuff said,* and Korea as a whole, Koreans in the U.S. are almost all white-collar, and go overseas to become educated so as to get to a white collar job that pays well.)

So some Civ 5 UA should account for some of these, and any that are left should be picked up by UUs and UBs. Korea in Civ IV imo was poorly represented, in part because the leader Wang Kon was more a military leader than a "protective, commercial" leader. I hardly think someone who overthrows a dynasty can be called "commercial" lol. I think it was more a reflection of current-day Korea.

revised to make the gaem more balanced and fair

leader: taejo (yi seong-gye for peopel who dont know)
second leader: yi sun sin
third leader: kim ku

unique building: cheondo temple - +3 happiness happiness
unique unit: hwarange - double strength against countries you are at war with
unique ability: science king - +100% research, countries suffer from -50% research when at war with you
 
OP needs to attend history lessons badly. There weren't many empires as significant as Mongolian one in history. And Korea... nobody knows and nobody cares. Maybe they were somewhat significant in their region, but they cannot even be in the same league with Mongols.
 
Yes, Kim Jong Il was more infamous than famous--people do certainly know of him though! And that's why he was on my list. I personally think he was a horrible, brutal leader. But, he is well known. More of my friends from my American collegiate days know of him than they know of Roh Moo yung (the S. Korean president who committed suicide yet was hated during his presidency).
Roh Moo Yung was an awful president. He bent over backwards for North Korea.

I thought the name is spelled Roh Moo-hyun (노무현)?


Koreans, especially the OP, lets not create threads like this.

I, also Korean, very much understand your hope for Korea being an independant Civ. However, actually taking a negative stance against other "Civilizations" to promote another is actually spitting in your face. (Many people will probably just wave this thread away, but it will do more harm than good)

Every nation, culture and Civilization have its own unique points. Although it might be possible to make an argument that one is better than another, that kind of stance is exactly what creates Hitler or Hirohito.

I too thought that the OP shouldn't have started this thread. Certainly the Mongols had a bigger influence than Korea. And I'm Korean as well. But it doesn't matter, because I don't have Civ 5 and I don't plan on buying it ATM. Korea is already represented in Civ 4 (since Warlords) so I'm content on playing the Koreans in Civ 4 and kicking a**. :D

leader: taejo (yi seong-gye for peopel who dont know)
second leader: yi sun sin
third leader: kim ku

Taejo (Yi Seong-gye/이성계) was the first king of the Joseon Dynasty, right? I don't know -- I would have picked Sejong Daewang (세종대왕) as the first leader. OT, but isn't South Korea going to move it's capital in 10-20 years to a newly created city called Sejong City?


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revised to make the gaem more balanced and fair

leader: taejo (yi seong-gye for peopel who dont know)
second leader: yi sun sin
third leader: kim ku

unique building: cheondo temple - +3 happiness happiness
unique unit: hwarange - double strength against countries you are at war with
unique ability: science king - +100% research, countries suffer from -50% research when at war with you
And you call this balanced? Science king, while being a stupid name, is hugely overpowered, and the hwarange is stupid as well, unless you want it to have a hidden nationality function, in which case it probably (depending on the strength) still is hugely overpowered.
 
I thought the name is spelled Roh Moo-hyun (노무현)?
Yeah, that's right. I've always spelt it how people seem to pronounce it, but the g on the end was my own invention, I think. Oh well. :)

Certainly the Mongols had a bigger influence than Korea. And I'm Korean as well. But it doesn't matter, because I don't have Civ 5 and I don't plan on buying it ATM. Korea is already represented in Civ 4 (since Warlords) so I'm content on playing the Koreans in Civ 4 and kicking a**.
Yes, they had a bigger influence in that they touched (destroyed/colonized) more countries than Korea. But Korea's influence was more peaceful, and imo, had more lasting impact, esp in this day and age, where Korea's economy is doing quite nicely, and its celadon pottery remain prized among collectors.

Winning as Korea in Civ 4 is tough, though the Commercial trait is nice. Protective is so useless imo. And the Hwacha was better when siege engines actually killed units. Oh well. Maybe in Civ 5's expansion they will gain some glory.

Taejo (Yi Seong-gye/이성계) was the first king of the Joseon Dynasty, right? I don't know -- I would have picked Sejong Daewang (세종대왕) as the first leader.
Likewise. No idea why the OP doesn't think to include Sejong. Maybe because he was a more peaceable king compared to the others? No idea.
 
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