Why is same-sex marriage "wrong"?

[MobBoss]

Mobboss thinks that legalizing homosexual marriage in the U.S. is going to bring an influx of disease-infested homosexuals into the country, overwhelming the healthcare system.

Well, gee Warpus thanks for speaking for me.

But please...next time you feel compelled to plagerize me....dont. I dont appreciate it anymore than you would if I took your own words out of context either.

Bottom line, Mobboss thinks we dont know what would happen, pro or con. I have my assumptions...you have yours....but both are exactly that...assumptions.

 

[Gladi]

Well, gee Warpus thanks for speaking for me.

But please...next time you feel compelled to plagerize me....dont. I dont appreciate it anymore than you would if I took your own words out of context either.

Bottom line, Mobboss thinks we dont know what would happen, pro or con. I have my assumptions...you have yours....but both are exactly that...assumptions.

And pray what are those assumptions. For as of now, you still have to offer argument of your own.

Look: Family is basic societal unit. As such it is advantegoeus for state to promote it and the stability and prosperity it brings. Disqualifying any group from such a promotion is thus disadvantegous to all, and pushes the said group's interest out of stately sphere.

 

[Gladi]

That's not in the Bible.

I never said that. I was just pointing how he he got there. Look out Simon Darkshade posts and Civgeneral religious statement.

 

[Sidhe]

Well, gee Warpus thanks for speaking for me.

But please...next time you feel compelled to plagerize me....dont. I dont appreciate it anymore than you would if I took your own words out of context either.

Bottom line, Mobboss thinks we dont know what would happen, pro or con. I have my assumptions...you have yours....but both are exactly that...assumptions.

I agree with Mob Boss here, but kindly don't say I mock Jesus hey MB k , I never have and hopefully never will. Putting words in peoples mouths and taking things out of context should only be done if a link or a quote is involved, and then it hardly reflects the attitudes as they stand a few months later, who really know's the exact context?

 

[MobBoss]

And pray what are those assumptions. For as of now, you still have to offer argument of your own.

Look: Family is basic societal unit. As such it is advantegoeus for state to promote it and the stability and prosperity it brings. Disqualifying any group from such a promotion is thus disadvantegous to all, and pushes the said group's interest out of stately sphere.

I disagree. I think the inclusion of the extended divorced family as a norm and wider acceptance of single parent families as "just as good" has weakened the family overall. I am not saying that people wont be in those circumstances, and sometimes people have to make the best out of a bad situation they can, but to make the allegation that such family units, in general, are as optimal as a family unit with a mom and dad only hurts families even more.

The best family unit is one with both a male and female role model. Can other family makeups other than this be succesful, yes they can, but on average they have more problems than a traditional family unit.

So, if there is an optimal family unit (and there is)......exactly why is it a good thing for families to promote situations that are not "optimal"?

In my humble opinion, its always best to promote the best...not to move the bar downward to make "best" a larger category inclusive of everthing above "failed".

 

[Gladi]

I disagree. I think the inclusion of the extended divorced family as a norm and wider acceptance of single parent families as "just as good" has weakened the family overall. I am not saying that people wont be in those circumstances, and sometimes people have to make the best out of a bad situation they can, but to make the allegation that such family units, in general, are as optimal as a family unit with a mom and dad only hurts families even more.

The best family unit is one with both a male and female role model. Can other family makeups other than this be succesful, yes they can, but on average they have more problems than a traditional family unit.

So, if there is an optimal family unit (and there is)......exactly why is it a good thing for families to promote situations that are not "optimal"?

In my humble opinion, its always best to promote the best...not to move the bar downward to make "best" a larger category inclusive of everthing above "failed".

A) I disagree on two parents beeing optimal. Granparents, several parental pairs and multiple children is for me optimal.
B) Yes sometimes children are hurt by having single parent. But we also have institutionalized child care. So that parent does not need grandparents all the time.
C) The choice is not about the best family and utterly terrible family, the choice is between no family and family of unknown quality. We are not lowering bars, we are allowing other to participate.
D) Is this your reason why you are aganist gay marriage?

 

[puglover]

I never said that. I was just pointing how he he got there. Look out Simon Darkshade posts and Civgeneral religious statement.

My apologies.

 

[MobBoss]

A) I disagree on two parents beeing optimal. Granparents, several parental pairs and multiple children is for me optimal.

Studies would disagree with you. In general, kids from divorced families and single parent families have more issues with drug use, pregnancy and juvy crime than kids from households with both a dad and a mom.

B) Yes sometimes children are hurt by having single parent. But we also have institutionalized child care. So that parent does not need grandparents all the time.

You think having your kid in child care essentially being raised by someone else is the same as you raising your kid? Got news for you...you are wrong. My wife stayed at home to raise our three kids. Yes, our income took a hit, but there is no way a child care giver is as good for a child as a childs real parent.

C) The choice is not about the best family and utterly terrible family, the choice is between no family and family of unknown quality. We are not lowering bars, we are allowing other to participate.

Then lets encourage those that participate by promoting optimal families. Why not promote those that are most successful? To do otherwise is indeed lowering the bar.

D) Is this your reason why you are aganist gay marriage?

Just one of many.

 

[GenMarshall]

@MobBoss - What would happen if one of your children or grandchildren becomes Gay/Lesbian and wants to marry their partner?

 

[Eukaryote]

Sorry to quote myself but:

The people who say homosexuality is wrong because God hates it are overlooking the fact that it's not in the new testememt so it's not said by Jesus. And the fact that it's surrounded by things things we overlook, but the fundys choose to not overlook what it says about gays because they don't like them because of the icky factor! Here's what surrounds those passages:

1. What kind of animals I can sacrafice to God.
2. Who I'm allowed to buy slaves from and how I can treat them.
3. I have to wear a prayer shawl under my clothes.

You see, that stuff that surrounds the passages about gays is considered obsolite and pointless, why should we not give the same treatment to what it says about gays?

I posted that on page 4 and so far no one has come up with a comeback! Does that mean no one can think of one because it's so true?

 

[Gladi]

Studies would disagree with you. In general, kids from divorced families and single parent families have more issues with drug use, pregnancy and juvy crime than kids from households with both a dad and a mom.

I did not say that there are no problems in those cases. I said that barebone family is not as good as "real" transgenerational family ( at least three)

You think having your kid in child care essentially being raised by someone else is the same as you raising your kid? Got news for you...you are wrong. My wife stayed at home to raise our three kids. Yes, our income took a hit, but there is no way a child care giver is as good for a child as a childs real parent.

School is child care. And intutionalized child care provides children with multiple apropriate social oportunities and prepares him for his life outside of family. Studies shown children who attended kindergarten to be more sociable, inquiring and attentive in school and further life.

Then lets encourage those that participate by promoting optimal families. Why not promote those that are most successful? To do otherwise is indeed lowering the bar.

We are already doing that. What do you think those "spousal" and "family" benefits are for, to humour rabits (czech saying)? And there is no certain evidence that families containg same-sex pairing are worse out of themselves. I have already provided fairly new link in this thread. So please again tell me, what is wrong with familes with same-sex pairing. You keep saying it is, but never show anything for support.

 

[Eukaryote]

@MobBoss - What would happen if one of your children or grandchildren becomes Gay/Lesbian and wants to marry their partner?

I'd say:
Whatever, I'm goin' to Moe's

 

[Sidhe]

@MobBoss - What would happen if one of your children or grandchildren becomes Gay/Lesbian and wants to marry their partner?

I think he'd most likely know by now so it's either happened or it hasn't. You kind of get that inkling long before teenage years normally, it's often transparent, although not always. Theoretical, but I guess Mob Boss is firing out heteros

 

[Gladi]

Well apologies all round, but it is ghost hour here for minutes already and I should try to pretend to be sleeping in this blood heat.

So good night and nice dreams.

 

[MobBoss]

@MobBoss - What would happen if one of your children or grandchildren becomes Gay/Lesbian and wants to marry their partner?

I would still be against it....and if my opinion is asked I would give it. Why should I compromise my beliefs on sin simply because one of my kids (or grandkids) decides to engage in that sin?

I posted that on page 4 and so far no one has come up with a comeback! Does that mean no one can think of one because it's so true?

Sigh. Actually it is in the new testament...in several places in fact. Oh..and the new testament includes a bit more than just the gospels.

 

[MobBoss]

School is child care.

No. School is education. Teachers are not there to raise your child.

Studies shown children who attended kindergarten to be more sociable, inquiring and attentive in school and further life.

Once more.....kindergarten is not child care.

We are already doing that. What do you think those "spousal" and "family" benefits are for, to humour rabits (czech saying)? And there is no certain evidence that families containg same-sex pairing are worse out of themselves.

Actually, there are some studies coming out in regards to it. Kids raised by SSMs are on average more likely to experiment with sex early and once they start, have more partners than kids raised by traditional parents. Granted I am speaking from memory here, so as in the spirit to not misrepresent myself, consider that in regards to this information.

 

[blargh]

Actually, there are some studies coming out in regards to it. Kids raised by SSMs are on average more likely to experiment with sex early and once they start, have more partners than kids raised by traditional parents. Granted I am speaking from memory here, so as in the spirit to not misrepresent myself, consider that in regards to this information.

Is this one by Dr.(s) Cameron or Dobson?

 

[Ramius75]

No one is imposing anyones belief on anyone thank you very much. I would humbly point out that changing the status quo is imposing a change upon marriage, not the reverse. And no one is "controlling" what two consenting adults do...couples are free to do whatever the heck they want to go do.

I think if there is nothing wrong, they should be at least granted the legal right of marriage, or revolted all those so called "legal" marriages. Since when a unity of 2 person need the law to "approve" ?

Because you dont understand the belief that a large amount of sin comes from fleshly desires. By denouncing their flesh and being celibate, they attempt to avoid many of the sins of the flesh that plague all the rest of us.

So what if everyone decided to be a priest and nun ?? then there will be no "sin" isnt it ?? And no more human

 

[Tulkas12]

What if you think its gross? I saw a couple of guys going at it the other day and I must say I was repulsed. So much for people's afinities for good taste. While we are at it, I'll bring up the real problem with gays raising kids. Gays are habitually terrible at such things. This isn't their bag baby. The one's whose bag is it are the freaks of the group. I mean seriously, knowing a few myself, I know for a fact that they have no interest in such things, and would suck terribly at it if they were interested. Finally, there is one thing everyone tends to overlook, lack of a mother/father (whichever would be missing) is very detrimental to children, and thjat is not subject to debate or sublect to be written off as a dr. Dobson stat. A kid with no father doesn't learn obedience, a kid with no mother fails at compassion.

 

[Azash]

Perhaps not everybody finds it as repulsing and intolerable as you? If I see two gays kissing, I'll do the MobBoss thing and /shrug.