Why it is unlawful for the U.S. to persecute Benladdin.

[G-Man]

Originally posted by Juize
I don't trust freaking CNN. I don't trust anybody.
Why should I trust when USA says it has proves?
Or (I'm NOT referring now), why should Taleban trust to USA?

This is a matter of principle.
one nation cannot just destroy another nation
(like nukes, what you want) without any good reason.
Too much asked?
Maybe.

Maybe I'm just a pacifistical piece-of-*******.
Maybe some nation should nuke USA without any good reason.

How do you know that the US exists? How do you know the attack happened? It's simple - you have what's called "selective hearing". No need to worry - it doesn't kill (usually). The fact is that you only hear what you wanna hear. CNN says Afghans are poor? You believe it, because it fits your opinion that the USA causes hunger and poornes. They say Bin Laden is guilty? You don't trust them .They're Americans, so they must be trying to brain wash you and turn you into a zombie fighting machine. Please give me one PROOF that CNN aren't reliable. Show me one thing they said and that wasn't true. And as I said - PROOF is the key word.

 

[GeneralHotRod]

Yesterday there were a lot of peace rallies around the country. I live in a town of 125,000 people and 17 showed up. Later I recieved an e-mail about how to deal with these peaceniks.

1. Approach peacenik.

2. Initiate conversation.

3. Get peacenik to state his position. (you'll see why I dont include women later)

4. Make sure he says violence isn't the answer to any situation.

5. Promptly punch him in the face.

6. When he gets up repeat to him violence isn't the answer.

7. If he doesn't fight back repeat steps 5 & 6. Until he fights back. Then you've proven your point.


I had recently stumbled across a piece of info that juize may be interested in. Back in 1944 Stalin had wanted to invade finland after you all had whined for piece. Luckily for you Churchill and Roosevelt talked him out of it in the Tehran meeting. Had that not happened we would all be cursing at a 14 year-old s**t named Ivan

 

[joespaniel]

Why are Joes evil fascist pigs?

Theres lots of good people named Joe.

-Joe Namuth. Well... maybe not. He played a violent sport so he's not a good example.

-OK. How about Joe Green. No, same thing...

-Oh, I know. Joe Goebels the nazi propaganda minister! No wait, thats no good either...

-Ah! Iv'e got it! Joe Stalin! No...

Sh*t! I give up. I'm gonna change my name...

 

[SunTzu]

Bin Ladin was behind this attack just like many other attacks! Jesus christ! what will it take for you ignorant mother ****ers to figure out that we have to take out terrorism! Should we wait until they nuke New York City!? Get that 'peace loving, the world will be ok' **** out of your head and realize that we live in a violent world! Its either us or them!

 

[Apollo]

Hey, don't yell at people who promote peace and non-violence, they are a key part to my master plan: We will round up all the terrorists in the world and bring them together in one spot. We will then do the same with the peace advocates. Next, have all the peaceniks join together holding hands in a big ring with all the terrorists tied together in the middle. The peace hippies can then join in songs such as "We Are The World", which after a while will cause uncontrollable vommiting umong the terrorists. Pretty soon they will die of dehydration, and we will have found a use for the peaceniks.

 

[dreadhead7]

I resent the jibes at peacemongers. And, before you all flame ME, personally, take the time to read my views about this stuff, because I stand by my previous statements that it is ENTIRELY possible to be a peace activist, yet FULLY support one's country in these times of trouble.

You folks calling for the iradication of people like me should take the time to speak seriously with folks such as myself before you put us before the firing squad, or the bomb. Why is it that you hate us so? Don't you want peace? Don't you want yourself and your loved ones to be safe? Why do people choose hate when hate got us to where we are now?

 

[joespaniel]

I'm gonna have to agree with Dread that some of you are harsh on the peaceniks. Theres some pretty scathing stuff here.

However, I think it's mainly misdirected anger, and thats pretty understandable. I'm still pretty p*ssed off myself.

I am a combat veteran, and in the years since I became a civilian again, I feel differently about alot of things. Military force is a good thing to have in your left hand when you 'shake-hands' with your right hand, and so far, I think the US has done a good job of handling this whole thing.

Even though I believe in peace, there are times when you have to fight for it. This is absolutely the time. The proof that Bin Laden and al-Quedea attacked the US on Sept 11, and in 1998, is now unrefuteable.

Real peace, for the United States and the world, now depends on getting rid of these people. I dont think capturing them is very feasable, they will probably have to kill most of them. And the sad thing is this may go on and on for quite awhile, they may be more attacks on innocent people. Just like in Isreal almost everyday it seems.

I don't relish killing anybody. When they get these guys, I wont feel the least bit bad. I think the US and Britain will go to great lengths to avoid any civilian casualties anywhere they go after terrorists. Sometimes it's impossible.

I personaly was shot at by a Somali sniper who used a group of women as human shields. They stood in a group and he laid on the ground, firing inbetween their legs. Its a great moral conflict deciding how to deal with a situation like that. Do you fire back or lay down and die.

I share this story as a metaphor for the larger situation at hand. The aggressor is hiding in a country full of starving, wretched people that no one wants to hurt, but we have to stop the terrorists before they kill lots of other innocents.

I'm honestly glad it's not my job anymore, so I just support the troops that have to go. My unit, the 10th Mountain Division, is going. So it stirs up alot of feelings for me. I plan to send letters of encouragement. If anyone would like to do the same I will find and put up the address to use in my next post.

 

[joespaniel]

You can go to this site and write to our servicemen overseas:

http://www.opsos.org/

You dont even have to lick a stamp! They will print it out and send it for you, for free.

 

[G-Man]

Are you sure that's the right adress? It doesn't exist according to my IE

 

[joespaniel]

It works on mine... even in post url

Try a search for Support our Soldiers and see if it comes up. It may be called SOS as well.

BTW- Nice to hear from you, G-Man.

 

[G-Man]

Now it works... I see you also started a new thread about this... So now everyone can send letters to the troops... I don't wanna be the soldiers that gets the letter from Juize

 

[joespaniel]

Juize and Miko (same person?) should be carefull. Those people have guns and bombs and know how to use them!

:rocket3:

 

[Archbob]

May I ask when the chinese apologized, I am interested in this information.

 

[Sixchan]

I don't know if you read it but here's what I said on another thread about this:

The west shouldn't try to bring Bin Laden to justice if it can't even hold up to its ideals of justice. In an interview, Jack Straw (British Foreign Secretary) was asked why they won't give the Taliban evidence. He said: "We know they're guilty, they know they're guilty, they know we know they're guilty, we aren't going to play games with them." Now, if I were to accuse Mr. Straw of, say, espionage, he'd want to see evidence, wouldn't he? Would it be fair for a jury to make a decision without the defence seeing the evidence and making a case? Now consider the fact that the prosecutor IS the jury! Does that seem at all fair?

I still stand by it.

 

[Juize]

Originally posted by joespaniel
Juize and Miko (same person?) should be carefull. Those people have guns and bombs and know how to use them!

:rocket3:

Har har.
Now to something completely different:
I'm am not Miko. It is clear, just watch 'Who's online'.
I wanna make clear that I am NOT somebody who has 2 accounts.

 

[Juize]

As I recall, I made that comment the very night after I witnessed the attack, in person, not on a TV screen, and after you had screamed that the US had no proof of Bin Laden's culpability for over two pages in another thread.
The fact was then, as now, Palestians were dancing in the streets about it.
What a vile little troll you are to attempt to throw that in my face.
Try that again, take a comment of mine out of context, and you will be gone.
Am I making myself clear?
You have been warned.
AoA

1 That is bull****.
2 Is it restricted to repeat your words?
3 Ok, it is. Too clear. American democracy. Good day.

Now remember to take a lesson. Violence will end violence. Ingenius.

 

[G-Man]

Originally posted by Juize
1 That is bull****.
2 Is it restricted to repeat your words?
3 Ok, it is. Too clear. American democracy. Good day.

Now remember to take a lesson. Violence will end violence. Ingenius.

So you're saying that AoA's violence is just ending yours? I mean, if someone attacks the US they must've done something bad. So if someone attacks you you've got only yourself to blame.

 

[joespaniel]

Mr Sixchan -

I believe there is hard proof that Bin Laden orchestrated the Sep 11 attacks. If its good enough for the leaders of Pakistan, its got to be good indeed.

Regardless, he has declared war on the US. Proof or not, he'll get all the war he wants now.

I'm just curious; Why defend someone like that anyway? He, and al-Queda, are responsible for the 1998 embassy bombings in Africa, which resulted in horrible loss of life, mostly amongst African muslims. Obviously he is a mad-man. Intelligent, to be sure, and charismatic. But sick and deranged.

I get the feeling you are just anti-American and it doesn't matter what anyone says. No problem. I hope ole Osama doesn't mind your countries logistical support of our opperations in Afghanistan. It could mean retaliation. Then I wonder how you would feel.

 

[TrailblazingScot]

Try moron578 in Pakistan...the amount of evidence you need for the death penalty is one confession after a substained beating...in fact you can forge the confession, if done with enough "I am guilties" and "I would do it again given half a chance" you get your confession...

Or am I wrong?

 

[joespaniel]

Afghanistan is a harsh country indeed.