Why no Black Male Leaders?

[Inotrobot]

I couldn't care less how America categorize its immigrant populations ; that categorization has non-existant relevance to anyone outside the US. Which is the vast majority of the people in the world ; the vast majority of black people in the world ; the vast majority of East Asian people in the world, the vast majority of South Asian people in the world (etc), and, most importantly, the vast majority of Leaders in Civ.

US classifications are profoundly irrelevant here, and do not reflect global demographics.

Can you tell me what Race East Asians Classify themselves as? Because Most English Speaking countries Call Asians, Asians..

 

[Evie]

Strange. I live in an English (and french) speaking country and we MOST pointedly make the distinction.

 

[Patine]

Can you tell me what Race East Asians Classify themselves as? Because Most English Speaking countries Call Asians, Asians..

That depends who you ask.

 

[Patine]

Strange. I live in an English speaking country and we MOST pointedly make the distinction.

I live in the same English-(and-French)-speaking country you do, Evie, but I don't think the same one as the Inorobot - but pretty close, by global scale geographics. But, yes, having met East, Southeast, South, and Central Asians and Pacific Islanders here, we do definitely recognize them as distinct.

 

[GeneralZIft]

Our usual favourite black male characters, Mansa Musa and Shaka are probably going to be DLC just because they're so popular. So I don't think it's a race thing.

Somehow, we've looped back around and Firaxis has started gatekeeping the characters that they know people like to play as, and leaving us with relative nobodies on release. Or perhaps a nicer way to say it is that they like to experiment with some new faces on release

That's just my opinion, but, no Victoria or Elizabeth, no Shaka, no Mansa, no Gandhi, no Genghis, no Montezuma, no Alexander, no Saladin, and if I recall correctly, Napoleon isn't even available by default.

Now I'm only saying that if those were 5.99 each, they'd have a field day and everybody would buy them, and for that reason, you're probably feeling a gap in the roster. I don't particularly think it's a race thing.

P.S. This makes me miss the Ethiopian guy from Civ5. He was pretty cool.

P.P.S. I do relate though. The M.E. representation on release looks a bit horsehockeye too. Although with time it'll probably get better.

 

[Inotrobot]

Strange. I live in an English (and french) speaking country and we MOST pointedly make the distinction.

 

[Evie]

Which is a term pretty much nobody uses - just lumping people by continent of origin.

But in any event, fine, if we lump people by continents, then Ibn Battuta, a Berber, is in fact African and you have your African man.

 

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

Lafayette, Machiavelli, Franklin, and Charlemagne are all white men who want to rule the Normans in Exploration and a Civilization that already has at least one directly associated Leader in Modern. That in mind, I think this post is a very fair complaint. There was definitely room.

 

[Evie]

If your complaint is not that your people are not represented, but that the representation for your people doesn't have enough sausages, your complaint is a lot less fair, no matter what other people are represented or not.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

Who should be here?
A. Nelson Mandella
B. Shaka
C. Leader of Haitian Rebellion
D. Mvemba Nzinga of Kongo.

 

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

If your complaint is not that your people are not represented, but that the representation for your people doesn't have enough sausages, your complaint is a lot less fair, no matter what other people are represented or not.

I don't know... gender is a part of representation just like race or nationality is. It's not something I'm personally invested in when it comes to what makes me feel represented, and when nations are the things being represented it's certainly less important, but I'm not going to fault someone else for wanting a leader with the same skin color and gender as them in the game when there are enough white men hanging about to fill a Small size map on their own.

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

Leader of Haitian Rebellion

Toussaint L'Ouverture or Jean-Jacques Dessalines.

 

[Uberfrog]

Black men, black women, south Asian men, south Asian women, East Asian men, East Asian women, indigenous American men and women, etc: it adds up quickly to w lot of leaders. Having all of them covered in the base game is a lot of ground to cover, and leaves very little room for anything else.

This argument would stand up a little more if we didn’t have two white French male revolutionaries in the game at launch!

I get they can’t do everything all at once, but it is a shame there is no black male leader, and none planned in the first DLCs either.

 

[Inotrobot]

Who should be here?
A. Nelson Mandella
B. Shaka
C. Leader of Haitian Rebellion
D. Mvemba Nzinga of Kongo.

I'm not picky, but I would love to get Prince Naquan or Cudjoe Of The Jamaican Maroons

 

[Archanist]

Can you tell me what Race East Asians Classify themselves as? Because Most English Speaking countries Call Asians, Asians..

I'll give a little perspective for Filipinos, who generally identify as South East Asian.

America's classifications get a bit crazy for us, and while it's generally the Asian checkbox one puts, I've had friends who got stares and looks when people find out they didn't identify as Latino or Pacific Islander.


Though back on topic, I did think Frederick Douglass could be a possible leader (in a vacuum, right now America has 2 other leaders). Mansa Musa woulda been fun too IMO

 

[Jaxrul]

I hate to be that Guy, but Data shows most people prefer to play as their Sex, & I'm sure if Data was drawn, it would be the same for Race. Is it that Black Men are a Small Demo for Civ Games? And even with that, I'm not asking for a majority or equal amount of Black Male Leaders, but none?!!!

Then based on the Veteran Sleuths who typically accurately predict the upcoming unrevealed content, the upcoming DLC will not have any Black Male Leaders either. Again if Black Men are a small Demo, I'll let it go, but I'm hard pressed to believe Black Females are a Bigger demographic.

This is not a criticism against Firaxis, & I understand most people in this site may not care, but it is very disappointing to me.

I am also disappointed.

 

[Arcaian]

About 70% of Men prefer to play as Male Characters, there are also Race specific preferences. I'll try to post the studies & articles

30 Percent of Male Gamers Prefer to Play as Female Characters

A new study examines avatar preference, finding approximately one-third of male gamers prefer playing as female characters.

www.cbr.com

https://quanticfoundry.com/2021/08/05/character-gender/#

While I do think we've got too many european leaders and not enough leaders from other groups, with black men being noticeable for not being included at all, you're misrepresenting what that study says. Putting aside concerns about whether the results are valid, it shows that 30 percent of men who play games have a preference for playing women. That doesn't mean the remaining 70% have a preference for playing men, as there are people who have no preference (and also people who prefer playing non-binary characters, but that seems only to have been considered when polling non-binary gamers). The actual data from the study says that 48% of men who play games prefer to play as men - the majority of male gamers have no strong opinion, or prefer to play as women.

 

[The_goggles_do_nothing]

Black Male Leaders,

Is there a person you would like to see specifically, or have a civ 7 attribute you would like them to be? If your not into domination Shaka might not be the best choice.

 

[Inotrobot]

Is there a person you would like to see specifically, or have a civ 7 attribute you would like them to be? If your not into domination Shaka might not be the best choice.

I personally would like to see Prince Naquan Of The Jamaican Maroons