Why Star Trek didn't make it

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Today I learned that TAS came out right after TOS... I always thought that TAS was a some retro thing that came out after ENT...

Pretty embarrassed :blush:
I guess it's easy to get confused these days, given how all the series are available at the same time, rather than one after the other.

It would have been impossible for TAS to be post-ENT, as Deforest Kelley died two years before Enterprise premiered. It's thanks to Leonard Nimoy that some of the other actors were allowed to voice their own characters. He pretty much said that if they weren't included, he wouldn't take part either. Sadly, they still wouldn't include Chekov, but Walter Koenig was allowed to pitch a script (which was made, but if memory serves it was a pretty ridiculous episode).

Some fans consider TAS to be the unofficial "rest of the 5-year-mission" begun in TOS, but officially TAS's canon status has varied according to the whims of Roddenberry and whichever network or studio has a current opinion on it.

I'd say its current status can most likely be considered canon to some extent, given the inclusion of pure-Vulcan bigotry toward Spock in nuTrek (there are scenes in the TAS episode "Yesteryear" when some of young Spock's classmates taunt him in some pretty blatant displays of racism).

On the other hand, if TAS were really considered canon, then Enterprise would have been about Captain Robert April (reference: "The Counter-Clock Incident") and the holodeck wouldn't have been this Amazing New Thing in TNG.


Fun TAS facts:

Uhura finally gets to be in charge.

One of the episodes is a crossover with Larry Niven's Known Space series.

There are sequels to the TOS episodes "The Trouble With Tribbles", "Shore Leave", "City on the Edge of Forever", and the Mudd episodes. "Yesteryear" can also be considered a prequel to "Journey to Babel."

The first holodeck was on Kirk's Enterprise, not Picard's.

TAS had the first Native American crewmember.

As with James Blish's Star Trek episode anthologies, the TAS episodes were adapted to short story form in a series of "Star Trek Log" anthologies, written by Alan Dean Foster. There were 10 books, and the final four were novel-length (Foster added a lot of original material to the single episodes in those books; the first six contained 3 episodes each).
 
Yea, while Roddenberry had some nice concepts about setting and the characters, when it came to actual storytelling, he seemed kind of lacking but there were still gems here and there if you just ignore the campy things (well, I sorta like that thing regardless) Some of the best of Star Trek was when someone else was in control such as with Nicholas Meyer in the movies.

But in any case, by the time of TNG, Roddenberry was just such a hack and egotistical at that point. TNG would have been a disaster given what we had the first 2 season (Yea, Wesley.... geez) and would have killed off the franchise then and there had they not retooled it-- would have been quite the waste of talent.
 
Ehhh... as a communications officer, why would there be any expectation for her to ever be in charge?
Meh, why not? She was a lieutenant who ultimately held the rank of Commander. Lots of folks who held the rank of lieutenant commander or even lieutenant got to be in charge, particularly on night-shift. For example, Dr. Crusher got to be in charge, so did Data, so did Worf.
 
Meh, why not? She was a lieutenant who ultimately held the rank of Commander. Lots of folks who held the rank of lieutenant commander or even lieutenant got to be in charge, particularly on night-shift. For example, Dr. Crusher got to be in charge, so did Data, so did Worf.

And Ensign Kim.

Star Trek has never been really diligent about having a coherent chain of command. Had the insurmountable obstacle that the show mostly revolved around Kirk and Spock, who as Captain and First Officer should never have left the ship together, and however many series later they still never really recovered.
 
Ehhh... as a communications officer, why would there be any expectation for her to ever be in charge?
Ehhh...( :rolleyes: ) Keep in mind that in TOS, the position of communications officer was separate. In TNG and later, that position was folded into the duties of the Operations Officer. So in Voyager, Harry Kim's duties included being the ship's communications officer. And there were plenty of times when Harry sat in the Captain's chair when he had night (gamma shift) duty.

Uhura was cross-trained in navigation, as well. I don't know how common it was in the 23rd century for cross-trained officers in Starfleet, but evidently Kirk believed it was important for his officers to have more than one capability. Chekov was able to serve as science officer, Uhura could navigate the ship (so could Rand, for that matter, when she wasn't pouring coffee or whining about how Kirk never looked at her legs). Riley was in Engineering before becoming a navigator. Sulu had a variety of positions before becoming the chief helm officer.

So why shouldn't Uhura be capable of sitting in the Captain's chair if she had to? The episode to which I'm referring is "The Lorelei Signal." I don't know if it's available on YT, but it should be on Netflix, if you have access to that.
 
Meh, why not? She was a lieutenant who ultimately held the rank of Commander. Lots of folks who held the rank of lieutenant commander or even lieutenant got to be in charge, particularly on night-shift. For example, Dr. Crusher got to be in charge, so did Data, so did Worf.

Well yeah, I didn't say why wouldn't she or couldn't she. It was just the use of the word "finally" implied this was some sort of ambition of hers that had been thwarted many times before.
 
Dunno. The rest of the post seemed to be just "cool Star Trek facts" without much metapolytical analysis.
 
I just watched a jarringly misogynistic TNG episode The Perfect Mate. Picard is taking a stasis pod to a planet that will be used to create a peace settlement between warring worlds. The pod is broken open by nefarious Ferrangis and everyone find out that in the stasis pod is this empathic woman who is destined to become the perfect partner for whatever man she bonds with. And of course every man on the ship falls head over heels for her and she flirts nonstop with everyone. (I thought she was played by Cindy Crawford but it was really Famke Janssen)

She ends up falling in love with Picard while she is tutoring him for reasons and of course he's in love with her and just barely in control of himself. In the end, she was meant to bond with the delegate from the other side to seal the peace deal but she ends up bonding with Picard but goes through with her wedding to the delegate and pretends to bond with him because her bond with Picard instilled her with a sense of duty she cannot put aside.

Man it was cringe-worthy the whole way through. The only redeeming aspect was Stewart's acting and the confession he makes to Crusher about his feelings. That part was touching but the rest of the episode was terrible on so many levels.

But then it got followed shortly by The Inner Light where Picard lives an entire life time in a simulation left behind by a dead civilization. That episode is fantastic and really heartbreaking when you think about it. I don't see how anyone could come out of that experience entirely sane.
 
I think dealing with cringe-worthy subjects is one of the things that made Star Trek special, and made it endure.

All the technology and flying around shooting photons at each other was just a bunch of technobabble to serve as a backdrop. The real meat of the stories were the personal and diplomatic issue they were dealing with, some timeless, some contemporary, but usually very compelling.
 
My favorite episode for that was the racial aspects of 'Let That Be Your Last Battlefield' in TOS.
 
Okee dokee Manfred

Lol, what? Other than "TAS had the first Native American crewmember", what else is there in that post that could be construed as anything other than "cool Star Trek facts"? Not that I'm knocking cool Star Trek facts btw, but I don't think when the first holodeck appeared in the franchise, when DeForest Kelly died, or if Robert April is cannon, have much to do with any wider concerns about diversity in society.
 
On the ships we don't see, obviously.
 
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