[RD] Why the "It's okay to be white" trolling campaign worked

[danjuno]

This generation has had so much given to it unselfishly but squandered that good will by being ungrateful and expecting no hardship.

Wrong. You inherited the post-war prosperity from the GI generation and proceeded to destroy the environment, run up trillions in debt, and stagnate wages such as they haven't gone up since the 70's. You expect us to be grateful for being handed a turd sandwich? You just don't want to admit your generation was a failure.

 

[Katie88]

I don't disagree with much in this post, really, it is a very solid assessment. Earlier I simply wanted to clarify that the alt right was not one unified movement, nor under one coherent ideology. Our idea of what "they" are I suppose is somewhat similiar, with only one issue where we disagree, that being anti-semitism. The identitary movement and the "establishment" alt-right have done a great job of keeping their antisemitism hidden, they use code words like "financial elite" or "media moguls", or ((((them)))), but to anyone with some cerebral matter left it is obvious what is meant. However in your assertment that many people that identify as alt-right see Israel as a role-model for the perfect ethnostate you are undoubtedly correct. That does not mean that they don't propagate the idea of a Jews acting as a unified entity that controls immigration and spreads "degeneracy". One wonderful example for that is the idea of "cultural marxism", which, seeing as you are very well-informed, I am sure you are familiar with. "cm" is another subtle way of accusing jews to attempt to destroy "western civilization" when in reality Adorno (and others) were actually doing the complete opposite: Calling out capitalism for its destruction of local micro-culture by replacing it with vapid consumerism and thus killing "diversity".

Thank you.

Ah yes, I see what you mean. But you did specifically say Zionism, and I don’t want to conflate that with Jewishness in general. You are quite correct to say that the alt right are very critical of, what they see as, excessive Jewish power and influence in western countries. Even here, however, there is some disagreement. I remember a debate between Jared Taylor and Richard Spencer in which the former argued for Jews being allowed to live in the proposed ethnostate.

Well, probably because whenever white people engage in identity politics they seem to murder millions of people and pillage and enslave entire continents. Of course, this whole discourse is mired in race-essentialist nonsense, but this third position is far more sensible than the idiotic position that all identity politics are somehow the same.

This post is an excellent example of why I’d hate to be a liberal. They are currently [pooing] their pants about the ‘return of fascism’ because a relatively small group of people do not accept their premises, and so find themselves having to defend the same with arguments. Due to liberalism’s political dominance, at least since the collapse of the Soviet Union, many liberals have never had to do this, and it shows.

In fact, there is nothing even remotely like fascism or Nazism in the western world today that has any popular appeal or support. I suppose the closest would be something like Golden Dawn in Greece. That was a street action group that began to do social work among poor Greeks and then become a political party. But even after decades of hard, unglamorous work, and an epoch-making economic crisis, they could still only manage about 8% in elections. As for Western Europe, in Denmark, an openly national socialist party ran in the 2011 local elections. It won 539 votes in the whole country!

Anyway, at the risk of getting the thread back on topic, and given our previous discussion on the subject, do you think it’s okay to be white?

 

[Cassius Critzer]

Wrong. You inherited the post-war prosperity from the GI generation and proceeded to destroy the environment, run up trillions in debt, and stagnate wages such as they haven't gone up since the 70's. You expect us to be grateful for being handed a turd sandwich? You just don't want to admit your generation was a failure.

Feel better after unloading?

 

[yung.carl.jung]

There is NO white race

I agree, case closed, please let this be the last thread on this topic for at least a few days. There are websites that are entirely dedicated to jerking yourself off to white supremacy, this isn't one of them.

 

[Cassius Critzer]

Just because racism was "worse" and far more obvious back then does not mean it is not an issue now. You seem like a very smart person, so why even make posts like this? Imagine walking up to a gay man living in Jamaica and telling him "500 years ago they would have burned you alive, what're you complaining about?"



We have indeed been given much, otoh we have been handed a planet that is quickly driving towards ultimate self-destruction, we have been strapped to a rocket whose trajectory is completely unknown, the only thing we do know for a fact is that it will keep accelerating forever until it finally hits-- something. I don't want my kids to live in a world where there is more plastic in the oceans than fish, I don't want them to live in a world where half of Africa is infertile for the next ten thousand years because of aluminum factories, I don't want them to live in a world where all the rivers in India are littered with drugs and every other baby has a deformity, I don't want them to live in a world where the majority of grains, pigs, chickens and cows are extinct, forever, because some other species was easier to grow fat. These are the problems that all those that came before us caused, and we have to deal with it. We have to put on our wetsuit and dive deep into a pool of seething **** with the glimmer of hope being to somehow magically find the drain and plug it.

There is another topic where we are discussing the polarization of America. I'd be happy to discuss what we could do to better the environment in an economically sound way as I am equally concerned about the oceans. I would rather spend billions on that then outrageous military adventurism. Barry Goldwater cared deeply about the environment. It could be an area of overlap and bipartisan in scope.

 

[Berzerker]

This is also idiotic. For one thing, of course, "minor inconveniences" add up. For another, I don't call the systemic inequalities faced by people of color in the US "minor inconveniences." A black man with a college degree competes for a job on equal terms with a white high school dropout, which is why the black unemployment rate is consistently nearly triple the white unemployment rate. Similarly, black people are far more likely to suffer from all manner of health problems, etc, etc. These inconveniences are certainly not "minor" and it's preposterous and racist to suggest otherwise.

But they are minor in comparison to past injustices and racist to suggest otherwise

 

[yung.carl.jung]

There is another topic where we are discussing the polarization of America. I'd be happy to discuss what we could do to better the environment in an economically sound way as I am equally concerned about the oceans. I would rather spend billions on that then outrageous military adventurism. Barry Goldwater cared deeply about the environment. It could be an area of overlap and bipartisan in scope.

I will check that thread out, thanks

 

[Lemon Merchant]

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