Wich was the most contradictonary Pope through history?

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

Although when looking at the fundamental religous Belief's of the Catcholic faith one should asssume that the leader of such a moralistic faith ,history tell's us that certain pope's have not alway's been that cranked up with their own belief's.Therefore i ask you to Post youre rant on the pope's .

Well ,it's only a matter of time till somebody begin's to open a whole book on the Borgia's and post 23 pages of intense rant ,ill give you my other favourite ,that is UrbanusII.Granted ,his famous speech at the start of the Crusades had some political importance ,Though it's hard to say that the intention and result of te first Crusade was really in line with the belief's of Catcholicism ,rather really contradictonary.

 

[Sodak]

Weren't the Borgias basically church mafia? Call the cardinals together - "You make-a my son da pope-a, ya hear? Udderwise Luigi here is gonna break-a yous legs."

Wasn't there once a woman pope? Just curious, not to say she necessarily was a dud.

 

[SKILORD]

Being a Luthran I'm gonna go with whichever one introduced The Concept of Indulgence. i mean you could sin all you wanted, basically,as long as you payed the Church for forgiveness? PAYING FOR FORGIVENESS??? there's also of course (This'll REALLY P!55 people off) The Pope, The current 1 i beleive, who said that Evolution was a perfectly ok thing to beleive in.

Now i will be inevitably Flamed for my beleifs.......

also on the Borgias

Mafia=Money

Catholic Church=Greedy

i don't think there was any leg breaking involved

i'd say sorry to all Catholics but then again...... No i'm not really

 

[Shaka Naldur]

Originally posted by Sodak
Weren't the Borgias basically church mafia? Call the cardinals together - "You make-a my son da pope-a, ya hear? Udderwise Luigi here is gonna break-a yous legs."

Wasn't there once a woman pope? Just curious, not to say she necessarily was a dud.

actually while reading a book called history of the popes I found out that all the popes were alike,
actually the word nepotism comes from them, way before the borgias
If we think he is the worst is due to the treaty of tordesillas dividing the world between portugal and spain and closing all those trade routes and lands to other european powers.
if spain or portugal would have been the most powerful countries right now we wouldn´t take borgia as a bad pope

Urban II is also my favourite one :b:

 

[Mr. Civ 3]

The best Pope ever is Innocentius III, who declared that Pope is Anti-Christ (Originally in the Greek language anti ment both opposite and replacement and he declared himself replacement of Christ, wich makes him Anti-Christ right?)

 

[polymath]

Well, wouldn't the answer be Pope Pius the Contradictory, who both affirmed and denied the virgin birth seventeen times in one sentence? Who claimed not to be the Pope, whilst loudly announcing that he was God's official representative on Earth and leader of the Catholic church? Who ordered the Holy See to ignore all his commands, including this one?
He's got to be a strong contender anyway.

 

[SKILORD]

Originally posted by Mr. Civ 3
The best Pope ever is Innocentius III, who declared that Pope is Anti-Christ (Originally in the Greek language anti ment both opposite and replacement and he declared himself replacement of Christ, wich makes him Anti-Christ right?)

Lol freakin hilarious

 

[SuperR]

Originally posted by Mr. Civ 3
The best Pope ever is Innocentius III, who declared that Pope is Anti-Christ (Originally in the Greek language anti ment both opposite and replacement and he declared himself replacement of Christ, wich makes him Anti-Christ right?)

True.

Originaly posted by DuckOfFlanders
Wich was the most contradictonary Pope through history?

contradictonary?? Duhbya's gramatical virus is spreading!

 

[Daaraa]

Wasn't there a Pope who ended up being a woman?
I heard it once but I have no opinion. I'm not Catholic but I have a hard time understanding how s/he would have made it that far. Unless there was a mafia

 

[SKILORD2]

of course about being the replacement to christ. jesus told them that they were to do no such thing.... the Apostles asked him about it and he said that they weren't supposed to declare that a man was "More Worthy" or "Better" than another, we're all sinners aren't we? Even this "Pope" guy who's supposed to be so great. (hehe the mafia, the Antichrist hehehe) sounds rather dubious to me.

 

[klazlo]

Originally posted by Daaraa
Wasn't there a Pope who ended up being a woman?
I heard it once but I have no opinion. I'm not Catholic but I have a hard time understanding how s/he would have made it that far. Unless there was a mafia

I think that this was only a gossip. But it was a strong gossip and if I remember correctly than (at least in some period of the Papacy) there was a chair with a hole in the middle and the potential pope had to sit on it and some guys checked from under to make sure that the next pope is a 'he'.
There is a very good book about the history of the popes with all their sins from Peter de Rosa with the title: "Vicars of Christ - The Dark Side of the Papacy". This guy is a former Jesuite and his book is just amazing!

 

[Richard III]

This is why I enjoy being an British Protestant: I can say "who cares?" The papal institution seems hollow to me. I will acknowledge that a precious few popes - like the current incumbent - have done a lot of good from the chair, but in overall terms its hard not to see them as just another long line of corrupted political hacks.

I in no way mean to demean catholics, and I have a lot of respect for catholic institutions in principle. The trouble is, most of the people IN those institutions have not shown the same respect!

R.III

 

[SKILORD]

right on Richard III!

Potestants Rock!

 

[allhailIndia]

The Borgias take the cake. The words despot and nepotism were written into every single action they took and showed how to misuse power. I think it was he who made the statement, "The Lord has given us the papacy, let us enjoy it."

 

[philippe]

johannes paulus 2 AKA the pope now.
Everyone wants that he dies.
And the things he says:in the year 2002:
1)no abortion
2)no anti-conception
3)no divorces
he is just a old sick man who just dont want to die.

 

[Evie]

Originally posted by philippe
johannes paulus 2 AKA the pope now.
Everyone wants that he dies.
And the things he says:in the year 2002:
1)no abortion
2)no anti-conception
3)no divorces
he is just a old sick man who just dont want to die.

At least he isn't adding

"Evolution is most certainly false."
or
"Everything in the bible is meant to be taken literaly as is"

He may not be a left-wing liberal, but at least he isn't as extreme as one of those who gave the american bible belt its name.

The female pope is a legend, also. Basically, it all started when pope John VIII recognized the banned byzantine patriarch Photius. His political rivals accused him of being weak and, added as a comment, "We don't have a pope, we have a she-pope!" The peasants heard of that through rumors et al which found a way of traveling and found it funny. From the XIIIth century onward, various writers started creating the history of the She-Pope Joan, and everyone forgot to check if she had actually existed.

Her lack of existence was only demonstrated around the reform when it became important to do so. Catholic historians, checking the historical files when being attacked, realized there had been no such person...something which was admitted very openly their protestant opponents.

As for the seat, from what I have read, contrary to popular belief, it's not for investigational purpose. It's for a much more down-to-earth reason. Simply put, they wanted to remind the pope he was still human...by reminding him he still had certain very human needs. They found the holed seat worked well for that.

 

[klazlo]

Originally posted by Oda Nobunaga

As for the seat, from what I have read, contrary to popular belief, it's not for investigational purpose. It's for a much more down-to-earth reason. Simply put, they wanted to remind the pope he was still human...by reminding him he still had certain very human needs. They found the holed seat worked well for that.

Yes, those guys sometimes need to face the fact that they are not gods...

 

[allhailIndia]

I feel sympathy and pity for the old guy who people call John Paul II. Clearly, God's representative need not be as God.

 

[Zwelgje]

Originally posted by philippe
johannes paulus 2 AKA the pope now.
Everyone wants that he dies.
And the things he says:in the year 2002:
1)no abortion
2)no anti-conception
3)no divorces
he is just a old sick man who just dont want to die.

Well I mean, have you seen the place where he lives? It's absolutely beautiful (I was there a few weeks ago), I wouldn't want to die either being surrounded with so much beauty around me.

I hope he will die soon because his ideas are outdated and he sure isn't going to step down voluntarely. He may not be the most extreme orthodox pope there has ever been but he sure managed to scare everybody out of the church in the Netherlands.....

 

[Andu Indorin]

I've gotto go with John XX.