Will it be steam based?

There are quite a few people in this world who pay a lot for their bandwidth
Do you know how much bandwidth Steam uses? Next to nothing, if you pay per the usage for internet Steam will ass less then a penny a month. SO this is non issue so quit bring it up.

- as well as people who play on machines that are not connected to the internet at all - for any such people an online registration/activation would be an additional expense -
These people quitting playing PC games long time ago and soon just going to be phased right out of PC usage.

but any regular type of forced connection would mean regular expenses and/or hassle for playing a game that does not require internet connection for functionality purposes. As such I'd be strongly against it.

Yes connect to the internet once a month is such huge hassle, I mean telling Steam that want to use the offline mode is just so damn annoying. Christ learn about the program before you start making opinions on it.

defcon2 at least

The DEFCON system doesn't work that why. Your just saying that we are at maximum readiness for war without there being war.
 
Do you know how much bandwidth Steam uses? Next to nothing, if you pay per the usage for internet Steam will ass less then a penny a month. SO this is non issue so quit bring it up.

Having any bandwidth at all implies, at least in this part of the world, a minimum cost per month. As such, it is not necessarily accurate to equate the cost as less than a penny a month. It's like saying if you own a car but only drive it on average a kilometre every month then you'd be paying less than $10 a year to operate the car.

It is very clearly not a non-issue for many people who play the game so can you please quit telling us to shut up.

These people quitting playing PC games long time ago and soon just going to be phased right out of PC usage.
Very very wrong.

Your method of argument is fascinating. You basically argue, "These people do not have the same privileges or opinions as I do so they are not PC gamers." You also seem to imply that anyone who plays on a portable machine like a laptop that is much less likely to be regularly connected to the internet cannot be a PC gamer.

Yes connect to the internet once a month is such huge hassle, I mean telling Steam that want to use the offline mode is just so damn annoying. Christ learn about the program before you start making opinions on it.
If a computer is not normally connected to the internet, then yes, connecting to the internet once a month IS a hassle! :lol:

As always, resorting to profanities or blaspheming (in this case) only makes you look like you have no substance in your argument. :(

rolo (EDIT, oops I meant ori) actually has a pretty reasonable argument. He explains in the very least that requiring a connection only once per month is still in the very least a "hassle", and that because it has no connection with the functionality of the game he'd be against it.

Like my analogy I made earlier with requiring a toaster to be able to play the game, adding unnecessary requirements is a nuisance at best and it's not hard to find yourself in a position where you are against unnecessary requirements.
 
The major problem is that, apart from a handful of developers, PC games are either MMOs, or casual games due to the much greater costs of creating a big game.

Bunk. The reason that smaller developers continue to exist is that they know their market. That's why their games are good, and why they will never stop doing what they do. See Paradox Interactive. The vast majority of gamers will not like their games (though there are a number of their fans here), and yet they make big, profitable games.

In fact, the big three rarely seem to turn out anything of note, which is probably the real reason they want to move to consoles.
 
Having any bandwidth at all implies, at least in this part of the world, a minimum cost per month. As such, it is not necessarily accurate to equate the cost as less than a penny a month. It's like saying if you own a car but only drive it on average a kilometre every month then you'd be paying less than $10 a year to operate the car.

It is very clearly not a non-issue for many people who play the game so can you please quit telling us to shut up.


Very very wrong.

Your method of argument is fascinating. You basically argue, "These people do not have the same privileges or opinions as I do so they are not PC gamers." You also seem to imply that anyone who plays on a portable machine like a laptop that is much less likely to be regularly connected to the internet cannot be a PC gamer.
Go read up some of the DRM out there. No go read up on some of the methods companies have used to make it so you have to buy there product.
Read some of it good, guess what you want use your PC in the future to so much as type up essay you being needing an internet connection. Plus you know what I just realize none of this is hassle to any of his here we all have internet connections here so yeah I can say shut the hell up it isn't problem to any of us.


If a computer is not normally connected to the internet, then yes, connecting to the internet once a month IS a hassle! :lol:
And if you got laptop you at least plug it in every so often to the internet just to get OS updates, plus plugging in one cable isn't that hard.
As always, resorting to profanities or blaspheming (in this case) only makes you look like you have no substance in your argument. :(
It happens whenever someone comes in with the same stupid argument that has been beaten to death and already has solution too. The fact matter is you people just mad because things have changed now so it must be broken (which yes like little troll you say isn't the case at all even though I've seen dozens and dozens of times)

rolo actually has a pretty reasonable argument. He explains in the very least that requiring a connection only once per month is still in the very least a "hassle", and that because it has no connection with the functionality of the game he'd be against it.
Well guess what? PC games heading that way and the majority of us like it (Steam makes alot money and so do alot other D2D) so don't let the door hit you on your way out.
Like my analogy I made earlier with requiring a toaster to be able to play the game, adding unnecessary requirements is a nuisance at best and it's not hard to find yourself in a position where you are against unnecessary requirements.

O you don't want me to get started on the series requirements game developers have to make just so there game works on everyone of the billion combination of computer hardware and drivers out. Thats a hassle and just outright annoying, and that class really pisses me off.
 
Go read up some of the DRM out there. No go read up on some of the methods companies have used to make it so you have to buy there product.
Read some of it good, guess what you want use your PC in the future to so much as type up essay you being needing an internet connection.
Your communication is becoming more and more incoherent such that I can't even work out what you meant by that sentence. Perhaps you can rewrite it using the normal conventions of written English?
Plus you know what I just realize none of this is hassle to any of his here we all have internet connections here so yeah I can say shut the hell up it isn't problem to any of us.
Well, you're good at making assumptions, as well as throwing politeness out the window - I'll give you that. In fact, a lot of the time I am making posts to this forum from a public computer, a computer which obviously is not the machine I have games installed on.

Does that make you revise your "realization" a bit? ;)

And if you got laptop you at least plug it in every so often to the internet just to get OS updates, plus plugging in one cable isn't that hard.
Doing long multiplication isn't hard either, but I still consider it a hassle when I have to do it.

In case you didn't know, for many people, connecting to the internet is not simply a matter of connecting a plug to a computer. For starters, you need to have the required hardware, software and a reliable ISP for your internet connection to work. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have their parents take care of all that for them. I have helped some elderly people set up a simple ADSL connection using the supplied modem and install-CD etc. because they didn't know how to do it themselves. I'm not arguing those people are "gamers" of course but there are definitely cases where technologically literate people also have troubles with their hardware or ISPs or some such. I happen to be on a connection at the moment which (before it is soon fixed) has massive interference on the line between here and the exchange. This means internet speeds are slower than dial-up and reliability is worse than a 2-year old with a chainsaw. At the moment, anything I do that requires internet is a hassle.


It happens whenever someone comes in with the same stupid argument that has been beaten to death and already has solution too. The fact matter is you people just mad because things have changed now so it must be broken (which yes like little troll you say isn't the case at all even though I've seen dozens and dozens of times)
You need to generalise and label me so that you can attack me as being a troll. Well, calling people stupid because they don't agree with you is at least a tad harsh, for starters. Secondly, there is no solution to the fact that regularly requiring an internet connection is a hassle, other than your argument "Suck it up and connect to the internet once per month - it's not a hassle." That is not a solution in fact - all it is is you stating you don't believe it a problem, not the same as solving the problem.
Well guess what? PC games heading that way and the majority of us like it (Steam makes alot money and so do alot other D2D) so don't let the door hit you on your way out.
That's fine. I've nothing against Steam and other D2D distributors of video games becoming more popular. Your rhetoric about the door hitting me on the way out is pointless on me because I already use steam and would use it on other games if they were steam exclusive and I wanted them.

Even if from now on 99% of new PC games required a monthly internet connection to be established, I would still have gratitude for those devs who chose not to require such pointless schemes. If a game is good enough, I can live with its DRM. The thing is, whether you like it or not, requiring a monthly connection is a type of DRM that is at least a step up from requiring no internet connection at all, so the game with the online DRM would need to be better. Of course, if the game is good enough that I can get over the DRM, then it's a non issue. Civ5, judging by what I've seen so far, is a game that I'd be happy to accept some slightly invasive DRM in order to play.
O you don't want me to get started on the series requirements game developers have to make just so there game works on everyone of the billion combination of computer hardware and drivers out. Thats a hassle and just outright annoying, and that class really pisses me off.

Ok, I won't get you started. I probably like it better that way. ;)
 
Sometimes I post so much about side-issues that I start to wonder if I maybe, just maybe, take things like gaming a little bit too serious.

Then I see the discussions going on here and I once again feel good about myself, as my habits do not seem bad at all.

Also, to negZero: PoM is a well respected member and calling him a troll is not going to bank you any credits around here. Also I agree with PoM.
 
Bunk. The reason that smaller developers continue to exist is that they know their market. That's why their games are good, and why they will never stop doing what they do. See Paradox Interactive. The vast majority of gamers will not like their games (though there are a number of their fans here), and yet they make big, profitable games.

In fact, the big three rarely seem to turn out anything of note, which is probably the real reason they want to move to consoles.

Meh, believe want you want to believe, you're still wrong.
 
If the focus of developers shifted from PC to console we would still get ports of console games for the PC, right? For that reason alone PC gaming will be safe. Also once there would be a state where there were hardly any games for the PC, there will be some entrepeneur who will fill the void by something new that no one else thought of.

If not, we can always resort to console gaming. :)
 
Meh, believe want you want to believe, you're still wrong.

Please explain why you think I'm wrong. Paradox Interactive is very profitable, and they make large, profitable games. Netdevil is currently developing the first MMO I've ever cared about, though we'll have to see how it performs. Hell, even Blizzard, while co-owned by the folks who own Activision, is effective independent; WoW brings in more cash than small countries.

If anything, the existence of the big companies hurts these smaller guys (Blizzard excepted of course). Losing the big three just means losing a lot of regurgitated FPSs and MMOs; while I love my FPSs, there hasn't been a whole lot of original thought in that department in some time.
 
Please explain why you think I'm wrong. Paradox Interactive is very profitable, and they make large, profitable games. Netdevil is currently developing the first MMO I've ever cared about, though we'll have to see how it performs. Hell, even Blizzard, while co-owned by the folks who own Activision, is effective independent; WoW brings in more cash than small countries.

If anything, the existence of the big companies hurts these smaller guys (Blizzard excepted of course). Losing the big three just means losing a lot of regurgitated FPSs and MMOs; while I love my FPSs, there hasn't been a whole lot of original thought in that department in some time.

Advertising.
The smaller companies don't have the money to advertise, so people won't hear about their games beyond their hardcore fanbase.

Excellent advertising of a mediocre game will almost always beat no advertising for a superior game.
 
Advertising.
The smaller companies don't have the money to advertise, so people won't hear about their games beyond their hardcore fanbase.

Excellent advertising of a mediocre game will almost always beat no advertising for a superior game.

the only alternative would be to post a demo on a torrent site and hope it propels them upwards
 
Yes connect to the internet once a month is such huge hassle, I mean telling Steam that want to use the offline mode is just so damn annoying. Christ learn about the program before you start making opinions on it.

I don't think you get it.

I have to go to an internet cafe to receive internet access unless I am at another friend's house. Hence, I cannot get internet access at home. So, as long as DRM is implemented, and as long as it requires an online connection at any point in time, I cannot play a game with DRM. I don't think you realize that not everyone who wants this game has an internet connection in their house.

If DRM is offline w/o internet access even available, then that is ok, but I can't see how that would work. I would rather have a CD.
 
I don't think you get it.

I have to go to an internet cafe to receive internet access unless I am at another friend's house. Hence, I cannot get internet access at home. So, as long as DRM is implemented, and as long as it requires an online connection at any point in time, I cannot play a game with DRM. I don't think you realize that not everyone who wants this game has an internet connection in their house.

If DRM is offline w/o internet access even available, then that is ok, but I can't see how that would work. I would rather have a CD.

I'm not 100% sure, but you might be able to log into steam at the netcafe once a month and be able to play from home in offline mode.
 
I'm not 100% sure, but you might be able to log into steam at the netcafe once a month and be able to play from home in offline mode.

I could be wrong but from his description I think it's likely the computer is not a laptop. He did say "as long as it requires an online connection at any point in time, I cannot play a game with DRM".

Carting a desktop computer to an internet cafe is probably not practical.
 
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