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[WIP] Project Civ: A Quality-Oriented Civ Pack

No, not by far :lol:
Have fun with making the civ! :goodjob:

Well, they inherited a LARGE portion of their culture from

Spoiler :
The soviets


So that explains the sound. I figured the sound would give it away, but at the same time throw people way off :P
 
Indonesia cancelled.
 
Alright, followers of Project Civ (and frankly anyone who wishes to share his opinion,) I want to talk to you about the project that I, myself, will be taking on: Project Civ's Greece.

Sparta will get slight tweaks, Athens will be introduced, and the civ most like Greece at present will be Macedonia (If you're from the region in the north of Greece, cheer! If you're from the Former Yugoslav Republic, cheer!)

Sparta will take the Hoplite from Greece. The hoplite will have the same strength as any other spearman, but it will receive a 20% Bonus vs. Pre-Medieval Units. This means it will have the same 13 strength as the hoplite, but will hold a candle to swordsmen and be absolutely crushed by roman legions. Swordsmen would be a rather ineffectual sidegrade to Hoplites, as they only have 8/10 of a strength point over hoplites when facing pre-medieval units. Spartan Hoplites begin to suffer crushing defeats once medieval units show up to the fight.

Sparta will retain its Syssitia Hall (though it may have slight balance changes performed upon it,) and may see it's UA played with a bit. Leonidas will remain the leader.

Athens will take the colours and UA from Greece. I've only really designed a UB for Athens: The Odeon, a throwback to Civ 4. Basically think of it as a stronger Amphitheater. Pericles will lead the Athenians.

Macedonia will take the Leader and other Unique Unit, the Companion Cavalry, from Greece. In addition, their other Unique Unit will be the Sarissophore, another spearman replacement. The Sarissohpore has the standard 11 Strength of the Spearman, but will receive a 20% Bonus vs. Spear Units. "Spear Units" can be defined as any unit having the Bonus vs. Mounted Units promotion. Yes, this means Sarissophores will be the only ancient unit that can hold a candle to the Spartan Hoplites. By the way, the Bonus vs. Spear Units comes from the fact that the spears of the Sarissophores, the Sarissa, was near the long extreme of the spectrum of spear lengths seen in ancient phalanx formations (the Sumerians with their hook-spears were in the ballpark of Sarissas' length.)


It is worth noting that Athens will be one of those hodgepodges (like Polynesia or Greece itself) of other cultures that wouldn't stand on their own in Civ: That is to say, Athens will pretty much represent the Delian League. By the same token, Sparta will be a representation of the Peloponnesian League. Both Civs will be a representation of their Peloponnesian War Era factions.

Macedonia, on the other hand, would be a representation of its immediate post-Philippian Era self. Pella as capital, having wide swathes of Epirus and Thrace; you get the picture. I still haven't decided on a colour scheme yet.


Lastly, there's the subject of "Panhellenic Sanctuaries" as historians call them sometimes. Places like Olympia (home of the ancient olypmics,) Delphi (where one went to query the Oracle,) Delos (where the delian league sat,) and Samothrace (Where there was an important temple on a mountain,) and Dodona (where another Oracle was queried, this one was generally held to be inferior only to the Oracle at Delphi.)

Sparta as the Peloponnesian League controlled two of these sites. Athens as the Delian League controlled another two. The Molossians controllled Dodona.

The fact that Sparta controls Olympia and Delphi doesn't sit well with me. Neither does Athens controlling Samothrace. So I'm thinking of introducing AT LEAST Delphi as its own Religious City-State, if not Olympia as a Cultural City-state. Suggestions?



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Working on colour schemes for Macedonia. Input wanted! I personally like Row 2, Column 1 and Row 3, Column 2.

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3,2 is the best for my taste by far
 
Well Row 2, Column 2 is pretty much Songhai, so rule that one out. I'd say Row 3 Column 2 looks pretty good - 1,2 would suit Inuit, and I think 3,1 would be better suited for a Latin America civ

I always thought inuits would be best with inverse denmark, because those are colours like animal skins.

So no one likes 2, 1? It's pretty much my favorite, apart from it being fairly close to an as-of-yet unnanounced civ in BNW.
 
Latest Balance Changes to Sumer (Waiting until art to deploy!)

Cradle of Civilization: Removed GP rate, Now provides free gardens in Lacustrian and Riverine cities.

Vulture: Infantry bonus promotion now no longer retained with promotion. New Promotion: expends 1 movement when moving across or along rivers, regardless of the terrain.

Ziggurat: Bonus science removed. Now grants 1 culture on every river tile. Costs 20 more hammers to produce.


Latest Info on Macedonia

UA - Hellenistic Age: Gives golden age points upon conquering cities. Golden age points will be a function of conquered city's population.

UU - Phalangite: 20% (the floor of 11 + 20% = 13) Bonus vs. Spear-Based Units. Has the same base strength as the Spearman, which it replaces. The bonus vs. other Spear-Based units is due to the fact that Phalangites wielded the Sarissa: A spear that, in Alexandrian times, was between 18 and 20 feet, or 5.5 to 6 meters.

UU - Companion Cavalry.

Latest Info on Sparta

Walls of Sparta: No changes.

Syssitia Hall: No changes.

Phalanx: Heavily reworked to the point that it is effectively scrapped. The new unit will still be a Spearman replacement, but will only have 11 strength. It will have a 20% bonus vs. pre-Medieval units, giving it the 13 strength of the hoplite against Warriors, Archers, Chariot Archers, Spearmen, Horsemen, Catapults, Composite Bowmen, and Swordsmen on top of the Bonus vs. Mounted units.

Spartan UU Matchups (assuming no force multipliers)

Versus | Outcome
Warrior|Major Victory
Archer|Major if Not Decisive Victory
Chariot Archer|Decisive Victory
Spearman|Minor if Not Major Victory
Horseman|Decisive Victory
Catapult|Major if Not Decisive Victory
Composite Bowman|Minor if not Major Victory
Swordsman|Stalemate
Maori|Major Victory
Atlatlist|Major if Not Decisive Victory
Bowman|Major Victory
Slinger|Major Victory if Not Withdrawal
War Chariot|Major Victory
War Elephant|Minor if Not Major Victory
Horse Archer|Major if Not Decisive Victory
Immortal|Minor Victory Regardless of Persian Golden Age
Pictish Warrior (Outside of Foreign Lands)|Minor Victory
Pictish Warrior (In Foreign Lands)|Stalemate
Battering Ram|Major Victory
Phalangite|Stalemate
Companion Cavalry|Minor Victory
Cataphract|Stalemate if Not Minor Victory
African Forest Elephant|Minor Victory
Ballista|Major if not Decisive Victory
Mohawk Warrior (In forest or jungle)|Minor if Not Major Defeat
Mohawk Warrior (Elsewhere)|Minor Defeat
Legion|Minor if not Major Defeat


Latest Info on Athens

UA: Delian League - City-State Influence degrades at half and recovers at twice the normal rate.

UU: Penteconter - Unlike the Work Boat, which it replaces, the Penteconter can engage in combat and move through enemy territory. Has 5 moves, compared to the Work Boat's 4. Cannot enter deep ocean until Astronomy.

UB: Odeon [GandK] - Provides 2 additional Happiness (2) and Artist Slot (2) over the Amphitheater, which it replaces. Costs 25 additional hammers (125) to build.
 
Due in part to artist problems, we're looking at a mid to late summer release for Sumer Beta Candidate 1. Expect Greece Alphas to pop up soon, though.
 
Due in part to artist problems, we're looking at a mid to late summer release for Sumer Beta Candidate 1. Expect Greece Alphas to pop up soon, though.

What art exactly do you need for Sumer?... I may be able to help, if I have the ability enough for whatever you need.
 
Well, Pouakai and I have the city list sorted out for Macedonia. Boy, am I glad this is over.

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What art exactly do you need for Sumer?... I may be able to help, if I have the ability enough for whatever you need.

UU icon and Leader Icon. A leaderhead wouldn't hurt either. I'm gonna put in for concept art on the leader. If you want to compete with Jan, be my guest :)




Also, new contenders in the macedonian playercolour emerge... Note that the bottom portion of the gold logo reflects the ACTUAL colour used, and that the top is being modified by the light.

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Big thanks to sukritact for the Athens map.

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What do you think of doing an art pass on Sumer's map, Suksuk?

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So... This is a nice fellow you'd like to meet:

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I'm interested in making a leaderhead for Sumer, the leader is Ennatum of Lagash, right? BTW, isn't there a Vulture icon already on the game files? Or you don't want to use that one?
 
Oh my god, why weren't all you guys working together before? This is getting ridiculous. Leaderhead, map, icons - all absolutely beautiful.
 
Of course I didn't forget about you Pouakai, although I'm worried about typing out your name since I manage to spell it wrong every time. :p
 
Hey, I'm here too!

We've got a lot more projects coming up soon, all looking as amazing as that art!

Has anyone looked at adding a 3d leader scene for one of these greek city states youre working on, now that it's possible? Ton of work but possibly the one big hurdle to making a truly 150% top quality (over the top) can't tell the difference between the civ and an expansion civ at all...

Your work, as always, amazes me. Wish I had 1/10th the ability
 
Of course I didn't forget about you Pouakai, although I'm worried about typing out your name since I manage to spell it wrong every time. :p
You spelled it right that time!

Has anyone looked at adding a 3d leader scene for one of these greek city states youre working on, now that it's possible? Ton of work but possibly the one big hurdle to making a truly 150% top quality (over the top) can't tell the difference between the civ and an expansion civ at all...

Your work, as always, amazes me. Wish I had 1/10th the ability
There are people in the modding community working on it, but AFAIK it's not possible yet
 
There are people in the modding community working on it, but AFAIK it's not possible yet

Certainly, at the moment we're mostly doing fancy tricks to make the 2D Leaderscenes look like 3D models, and is working out nicely... But having full animated leaders is still a dream for us all...

Ekmek and Deliverator have retaken the work on models modding, so we may have interesting fixes for some of our limitations soon :D
 
Of course I didn't forget about you Pouakai, although I'm worried about typing out your name since I manage to spell it wrong every time. :p

I just call him Pookie.
 
So... This is a nice fellow you'd like to meet:

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I'm interested in making a leaderhead for Sumer, the leader is Ennatum of Lagash, right? BTW, isn't there a Vulture icon already on the game files? Or you don't want to use that one?

The background is fine, but perhaps have him on a hill or something? Like he's on the outskirts of the city? I feel like he should be out in the open, for some strange reason.

The interior scene may work, but it's way too bright. The background suggests dusk.

About the Vulture icon, it requires DLC. Also, I prefer to work with OC.

Also, the Pericles used here would make a great leader icon.
 
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