Wonder Elimination Thread

[mrlovanhey]

Angkor Wat 16
Big Ben 25
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 22
Eiffel Tower 12
Himeji Castle 32
Machu Picchu 11
Notre Dame 9
Pentagon 21
Sistine Chapel 22
Statue of Liberty 25
Stonehenge 40
Taj Mahal 13
Forbidden Palace 15
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 23
Hanging Gardens 5
Louvre 15
Oracle 20
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 31

Yes, I am a Pyramids fan . It offers lightning development for your cities early on, lots of quick gold by selling stuff faster and general convenience.

This time I'll down the Angkor Wat. I almost never build it and the benefit is negligible. Faster border growth and cheaper tile price is too small of a boon, when I'd rather build the Hagia Sophia at the same time.

 

[jbevermore]

Angkor Wat 16
Big Ben 25
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 22
Eiffel Tower 12
Himeji Castle 32
Machu Picchu 11
Notre Dame 9
Pentagon 21
Sistine Chapel 22
Statue of Liberty 26 (+1)
Stonehenge 40
Taj Mahal 13
Forbidden Palace 15
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 23
Hanging Gardens 5
Louvre 13 (-2)
Oracle 20
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 31

Love the SoL in this game.

Louvre much less so.

 

[NicTeos]

your main reason for your decisions is love ?

 

[Hasire]

Angkor Wat 16
Big Ben 25
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 22
Eiffel Tower 12
Himeji Castle 32
Machu Picchu 11
Notre Dame 9
Pentagon 21
Sistine Chapel 22
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 41
Taj Mahal 13
Forbidden Palace 15
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 23
Hanging Gardens 5
Louvre 13
Oracle 20
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 29
The pyramids are just not viable on higher levels. Rather than building a national college or expanding make you workforce work faster. I usually already have two workers. Stonehenge, on the other hand, will make wish the policies didn't come so fast so that you have to waste legalism on a monument instead of a temple.

 

[aatami]

Angkor Wat 16
Big Ben 25
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 22
Eiffel Tower 12
Himeji Castle 30
Machu Picchu 11
Notre Dame 9
Pentagon 21
Sistine Chapel 22
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 41
Taj Mahal 13
Forbidden Palace 15
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 23
Hanging Gardens 5
Louvre 13
Oracle 20
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 30

Moderator Action: Please remember to give reasoning for your votes. Warned for spam.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[civnoob13]

Angkor Wat 16
Big Ben 25
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 22
Eiffel Tower 12
Himeji Castle 30
Machu Picchu 11
Notre Dame 9
Pentagon 21
Sistine Chapel 22
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 41
Taj Mahal 13
Forbidden Palace 15
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 23
Hanging Gardens 5
Louvre 13
Oracle 20
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 30

you need to give a reason for you votes!

 

[sabs050]

Angkor Wat 16
Big Ben 25
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 22
Eiffel Tower 12
Himeji Castle 30
Machu Picchu 11
Notre Dame 9
Pentagon 21
Sistine Chapel 22
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 42
Taj Mahal 13
Forbidden Palace 15
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 21
Hanging Gardens 5
Louvre 13
Oracle 20
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 30

I build stonehenge as much as possible, I never build Hagia Sophia unless there is nothing else to build at that moment.

 

[ColinTH]

Angkor Wat 16
Big Ben 25
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 22
Eiffel Tower 12
Himeji Castle 30
Machu Picchu 11
Notre Dame 9
Pentagon 21
Sistine Chapel 22
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 42
Taj Mahal 13
Forbidden Palace 15
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 22
Hanging Gardens 3
Louvre 13
Oracle 20
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 30

Lets get rid of the hanging gardens, Hagia Sofia for all the great people -

EDIT
I get from 12 to 15 Great People every time I play (unless I get conquered), and I don't start producing them until I get the Hagia Sofia, the 33% GP bonus speaks for itself.
As others have said because you have to rush the hanging gardens to stand any chance of getting it (very few cities), is it worth sacrificing other Wonders of more importance!

 

[NicTeos]

and the reason for building stonehange @ sabs ? and your downvote-reason for Hagia Sophia ? To build or not is the execution of the thoughts about why wonders are good or not ...

 

[Tabarnak]

Angkor Wat 16
Big Ben 25
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 22
Eiffel Tower 10
Himeji Castle 30
Machu Picchu 11
Notre Dame 9
Pentagon 21
Sistine Chapel 22
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 42
Taj Mahal 13
Forbidden Palace 15
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 22
Hanging Gardens 4
Louvre 13
Oracle 20
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 30


HG is nice when you have multiple cities. In sp games it's actually very difficult to make a place to him somewhere(need fewer cities and AI like to build it also) but in mp it's a good wonder...well...at least better than the Eiffel Tower...happy bonus is not high enough to counsider it, especially late in the game when CS can provide a lot more.

 

[Stalker0]

Can someone explain how the voting works? I keep seeing the same lists with different numbers, am I supposed to rate everyone wonder, pick the one that is the best or the worst?

 

[Agent Cooper]

Can someone explain how the voting works? I keep seeing the same lists with different numbers, am I supposed to rate everyone wonder, pick the one that is the best or the worst?

Take 2 points of the wonder you dislike the most on the list and add 1 point to the wonder you consider the best. All other points remain the same. Update and post the list again. Remember to comment your choices.

 

[TM Moot]

Angkor Wat 16
Big Ben 25
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 22
Eiffel Tower 10
Himeji Castle 30
Machu Picchu 11
Notre Dame 9
Pentagon 21
Sistine Chapel 22
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 42
Taj Mahal 13
Forbidden Palace 15
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 22
Hanging Gardens 2
Louvre 13
Oracle 20
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 31

Love the 'Mids, never build the Hanging Gardens (did in civ4 tho!)

 

[TM Moot]

@ civnoob13, you're OP rankings list is a few Wonders behind fella

 

[thadian]

i do not know how to use all of these features so instead of working to learn them i will say i hope to see Gobekli Tepe would be great.

I believe it could be the biggest discovery in a very long time, and for a very long time - the worlds first temple, and could possibly unlock answers about how nomadic humans began to settle organized communities and what role this place played in trade, culture, art and religion and how different upstart civilizations may have been impacted by this wonder.

This wonder "Could" explain a lot about the origins of the thinking and civilization modern human has built, and the topic is only recently coming to light - so it would be cool to have it in the game ahead of the ball

Also:

+1 for Pentagon. I often try to build it before upgrading.

-2 for pyramids. it's just over-rated.

 

[ColinTH]

Angkor Wat 16
Big Ben 25
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 22
Eiffel Tower 10
Himeji Castle 30
Machu Picchu 11
Notre Dame 9
Pentagon 21
Sistine Chapel 22
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 42
Taj Mahal 13
Forbidden Palace 15
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 22
Hanging Gardens 0
Louvre 14
Oracle 20
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 31

EDIT the reason I edit is because someone else might post at the same time which would mess up.

Hanging gardens for reason stted previously.
I play culture games and two great artists as landmarks along with Hermitage and broadcast tower multipliers are priceless.

 

[misterLinger]

Okay, I'd like to show Angkor Wat some love. I generally like this wonder, especially because of my own game style, and the point in time in which it comes along. I just really like it adding to border growth, at a time when I might be concerned with a few other issues than culture.

From this list (since most of my least fav. wonders are already gone ) ... I'd have to say I'm least interested in building the Taj Mahal. It seems to be another favorite of the AI (though easily beatable)... but just never entices me enough to devote resources.

Angkor Wat 17 (+1)
Big Ben 25
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 22
Eiffel Tower 10
Himeji Castle 30
Machu Picchu 11
Notre Dame 9
Pentagon 21
Sistine Chapel 22
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 42
Taj Mahal 11 (-2)
Forbidden Palace 15
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 22
Louvre 14
Oracle 20
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 31

Brandenburg Gate 0
Colossus 0
Great Lighthouse 0
Hanging Gardens 0
Kremlin 0


Also... Would it be nice to have those already eliminated listed at the bottom and italicized or something... that way those who haven't seen the thread in a while can immediately seen what's gone? (Just a suggestion, but if nobody likes this idea, then feel free to deletetize it after my post! I'm just a little obsessive compulsive, and like the visual aspect of having the losers moved to the bottom.)

 

[civnoob13]

"

@ civnoob13, you're OP rankings list is a few Wonders behind fella

"

I know, I can't edit my list any more. (edit) now i suddenly can again!

"Also... Would it be nice to have those already eliminated listed at the bottom and italicized or something... that way those who haven't seen the thread in a while can immediately seen what's gone? (Just a suggestion, but if nobody likes this idea, then feel free to deletetize it after my post! I'm just a little obsessive compulsive, and like the visual aspect of having the losers moved to the bottom.) "

I don't see why not, seeing as I can't change the rankings now in the OP anyway
I'll put them in order too

Angkor Wat 17
Big Ben 25
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 22
Eiffel Tower 10
Himeji Castle 30
Machu Picchu 11
Notre Dame 7
Pentagon 21
Sistine Chapel 23
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 42
Taj Mahal 11
Forbidden Palace 15
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 22
Louvre 12
Oracle 20
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 31

Notre dame's bonus is just stupidly useless. Sistine Chapel - +33% culture boost is always very useful.

From first to last to go

Colossus 0
Brandenburg Gate 0
Great Lighthouse 0
Kremlin 0
Hanging Gardens 0

 

[NicTeos]

Sadly the Hanging Gardens are gone and it makes me sad, that noone like Happiness-Wonder, I need them on big maps with many conquests and no Happy-Wonder has more than 15 points left. (Notre Dame -7, Eiffel Tower -10, Forbidden Palace - 15 ). And I believe I can't defend them all. Those who defend all, defend nothing.

I decide to help Forbidden Palace ( until top 9) because their effect scales and sowith the "best" Happy-Wonder.

And in a big empire the louvre hasn't that much return than other wonders. It has no scaling, but a dimishing effect and being one of the latest GP-Wonders their effect is rather low in my games.

Angkor Wat 17
Big Ben 25
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 22
Eiffel Tower 10
Himeji Castle 30
Machu Picchu 11
Notre Dame 7
Pentagon 21
Sistine Chapel 23
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 42
Taj Mahal 11
Forbidden Palace 16
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 22
Louvre 10
Oracle 20
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 31

To the killed - list : Those who watch this thread will know, which died or know where they can look at. It has no new Information - it's redundant - and even some attention from the important stats. And Imho I don't believe, that those, which don't know, which wonders have gone, will have an interest to see it in each post nor will process the data.

 

[Bezurn]

Angkor Wat 17
Big Ben 25
Chichen Itza 28
Cristo Redentor 22
Eiffel Tower 10
Himeji Castle 32
Machu Picchu 9
Notre Dame 7
Pentagon 22
Sistine Chapel 23
Statue of Liberty 26
Stonehenge 42
Taj Mahal 11
Forbidden Palace 16
Great Library 19
Hagia Sophia 22
Louvre 10
Oracle 20
Porcelain Tower 21
Pyramids 29

--- Defeated Wonders: DO NOT VOTE ON ---
Colossus 0
Brandenburg Gate 0
Great Lighthouse 0
Kremlin 0
Hanging Gardens 0

Upvote: Hemji Castle - Great benefit for a war game and 1/2 the power as stonehenge.
Downvote: Machu Pichu - Building restrictions are rough and it is very hard to capture.

I also included thadian's vote from a few posts ago.