Stochastic
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Also, what is the roster looking like? I seem to remember that Brian was going to be gone for a bit, so am I up?
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cripp7
Playin' Bored
Yes you're up!
Roster
1. cripp -
2. ifinnem -
3. IPEX - played
4. Brian - MIA until the 18th
5. Stochastic - UP
6. Thy_Spellcraft -
Roster
1. cripp -
2. ifinnem -
3. IPEX - played
4. Brian - MIA until the 18th
5. Stochastic - UP
6. Thy_Spellcraft -
Stochastic
Prince
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OK, I guess I've got it then. I'm probably not going to be able to play tomorrow though.
Here's my pre play plan
Workers
Mine and road all the iron.
Get the banana up in Neapolis.
Cottage the FPs around Ravenna.
Start making our empire look more Roman (ie start roads for faster Praetorian movement)
Build one more in both Cumae and Antium
Builds
After workers Cumae start a forge while I'm thinking Pretorians from Antium, I just don't see a library as particularly useful there.
Neapolis will also build Praetorians as soon as the iron is up.
Ravana needs infrastructure, I'm thinking of whipping the granary for max hammers (that being my default stance on granaries) and then starting a forge before the library.
Rome needs more WB again so I'll slot in two after the Trireme is done.
Tech
Binary finish Currency and then Poly->Lit. Trade for Construction when possible. I'll also see about trading for Monotheism so that we can get into OR if we want to later on. Cathy and Hammy have it, Churchill doesn't yet.
Units
Stay the course for the most part, send scouts further North, keep everyone else happy with MP. Move Preats towards the Blocking Barb city to take it before Hammy does.
Comments? What have I missed/forgotten?
Here's my pre play plan
Workers
Mine and road all the iron.
Get the banana up in Neapolis.
Cottage the FPs around Ravenna.
Start making our empire look more Roman (ie start roads for faster Praetorian movement)
Build one more in both Cumae and Antium
Builds
After workers Cumae start a forge while I'm thinking Pretorians from Antium, I just don't see a library as particularly useful there.
Neapolis will also build Praetorians as soon as the iron is up.
Ravana needs infrastructure, I'm thinking of whipping the granary for max hammers (that being my default stance on granaries) and then starting a forge before the library.
Rome needs more WB again so I'll slot in two after the Trireme is done.
Tech
Binary finish Currency and then Poly->Lit. Trade for Construction when possible. I'll also see about trading for Monotheism so that we can get into OR if we want to later on. Cathy and Hammy have it, Churchill doesn't yet.
Units
Stay the course for the most part, send scouts further North, keep everyone else happy with MP. Move Preats towards the Blocking Barb city to take it before Hammy does.
Comments? What have I missed/forgotten?
IPEX-731BA5DD06
Deity
Library was just a holding build till Iron comes online, no point in building more units for more cost.
Workers, can always use more workers. I thought putting Cumae on Research to speed up currency, didn't really check the value..might be best leaving on auto workers.
On trading, maybe I should have traded Calendar for Monarchy, can't remember if it was an option or not, but Aesthetics, bah, won't get all wonders under rules, and we don't have marble.
Could have Cleaned Cathy our of her Tech's for Metal Casting and Aesthetics, but didn't want to breach the Tech trading limits too early for Cheap tech's.
Didn't see Great Library as a MUST HAVE. Praetorians, should be our instrument of research. I didn't want to fall out of the trading Circle. Losing a wonder in Rome, but Capturing it in another city, oh well, so be it.
Catapults and Praetorians should be our instruments of Research. Both Binary and Economically.
Build more roads, yes, connect up the resources, Neapolis has a mine built now, just needs the road, from the Iron. Roads are 1st priority, then Plantations other improvements. 1 Praetorian should be enough to take out that Barb city. Send the others to burn the 2nd city, so no more Barbarian galley's can impose themselves on the fair city of Rome.
Oh yeah, need to fog bust that Southern Island from which the initial Barb Galley originated from.
Workers, can always use more workers. I thought putting Cumae on Research to speed up currency, didn't really check the value..might be best leaving on auto workers.
On trading, maybe I should have traded Calendar for Monarchy, can't remember if it was an option or not, but Aesthetics, bah, won't get all wonders under rules, and we don't have marble.
Could have Cleaned Cathy our of her Tech's for Metal Casting and Aesthetics, but didn't want to breach the Tech trading limits too early for Cheap tech's.
Didn't see Great Library as a MUST HAVE. Praetorians, should be our instrument of research. I didn't want to fall out of the trading Circle. Losing a wonder in Rome, but Capturing it in another city, oh well, so be it.
Catapults and Praetorians should be our instruments of Research. Both Binary and Economically.
Build more roads, yes, connect up the resources, Neapolis has a mine built now, just needs the road, from the Iron. Roads are 1st priority, then Plantations other improvements. 1 Praetorian should be enough to take out that Barb city. Send the others to burn the 2nd city, so no more Barbarian galley's can impose themselves on the fair city of Rome.
Oh yeah, need to fog bust that Southern Island from which the initial Barb Galley originated from.
ifinnem
Keep it interesting
Do we wanna go after S Paya since we have gold. Underrated wonder I find as it allows us to ignore the entire religious branch of the tech tree
ie Rome goes trireme (whip)-> paya -> GL (Let other city build WB?)
ie Rome goes trireme (whip)-> paya -> GL (Let other city build WB?)
cripp7
Playin' Bored
This is by the way a WWE, so any wonder that we can get, I say let's get it!. The Paya would allow us to get into Theo much faster. Yes once that iron is up, we need to start building preats/cats to get Churchill's land.
Thy_Spellcraft
King
Just took a look at the save..
Not much to add to stochastics plan.. But I think it's important to keep those two scientists hired as we need the academy badly! And in case we change to an engeneer I will even become harder for the GS. That's why I really would aim for GLib!!
Some comments to you plan stochastic:
Not much to add to stochastics plan.. But I think it's important to keep those two scientists hired as we need the academy badly! And in case we change to an engeneer I will even become harder for the GS. That's why I really would aim for GLib!!
Some comments to you plan stochastic:
- roads seem to be a good idea but we need a LOT of impovements EVERYWHERE. The prats may move a bit slower but I think we do have enough good land to settle before going after churchill.
- Cumae should rather build some WBs for rome as ifinnem purposed to start with paya as soon as possible.
- Building some prats sounds good to me but keep in mind they cost upkeep and we don't need that many at the moment. Rather use the hammers on some more workers and maybe another settler to get whatever land the scouting axes near Vandal will find!
Brian Shanahan
Permanoob
Just an update on my situation, I'll be back in action Saturday, the game looks good so far from the reports. I will be able to look at the game then and confuse everyone (including myself) with my observations.
ifinnem
Keep it interesting
Some micro input
Whip cumae into WB (currently working a 2F tile)
Whip Rome in 3t into Paya
Whip Neap in 1t into worker
Worker in jungle near Arret should head east of Neap to mine plains hill as the other iron will get connected first (Not sure why we send workers off to both Iron at the same time)
Ravenna - eek! Workers for cottages! Growth w/o granary...
Whip the granary once it is a 1 pop whip (timing should work such that it starts storing food for regrowth)
Whip cumae into WB (currently working a 2F tile)
Whip Rome in 3t into Paya
Whip Neap in 1t into worker
Worker in jungle near Arret should head east of Neap to mine plains hill as the other iron will get connected first (Not sure why we send workers off to both Iron at the same time)
Ravenna - eek! Workers for cottages! Growth w/o granary...
Whip the granary once it is a 1 pop whip (timing should work such that it starts storing food for regrowth)
Stochastic
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OK, I'm playing now.
I'll see what I can do about it, probably will start investing some hammers about half way through after the Trireme+1WB are done.
Good point, I'll slip one WB in at Cumae and one from Rome, I think that will be fastest.
1) Good catch
2) I disagree, that will end up with Rome still stagnant (I don't want to lose the scientists and the only unimproved tiles have 2 food). The SP can wait a bit.
3) Good idea.
4) I think mining both iron is obviously a good idea for the tile yield, though only one needs to be given a road for now.
5) I think I'll swap in a worker and 2pop whip that into the granary.
I'll see what I can do about it, probably will start investing some hammers about half way through after the Trireme+1WB are done.
Good point, I'll slip one WB in at Cumae and one from Rome, I think that will be fastest.
1) Good catch
2) I disagree, that will end up with Rome still stagnant (I don't want to lose the scientists and the only unimproved tiles have 2 food). The SP can wait a bit.
3) Good idea.
4) I think mining both iron is obviously a good idea for the tile yield, though only one needs to be given a road for now.
5) I think I'll swap in a worker and 2pop whip that into the granary.
Stochastic
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OK, I'm handing off on turn 169 with all moved done except settling a GE and possibly a trade with Gandhi.
I didn't automatically settle the GE because I'm not sure if we are allowed to use them to rush Wonders and Hammy is building the Parthenon so we might want to rush that (or SP or MoM)
The trade is MC for Con. Pros: MC is known by everyone else and others want currency for Construction which is still a monopoly
Cons: Gandhi is the Jewish founder and worst enemy of Cathy
Inherited turn 155
Whip worker in Cumae to use the 2food tile. Overflow will go into forge rather than WB because I need the trireme to take out the Galley before moving a WB to Rome.
Slot a worker in front of the granary at Ravana.
Put a settler in for Antium, since it has relatively high hammer to food ratio it will make best use of Imp.
Turn 156
Whip Barracks in Neapolis for a bunch of hammers (looses a scientist but regrows this turn anyways.)
Iron is hooked up!
Turn 157
Swap Cumea from forge back to WB.
Neapolis starts on a Worker with the overflow
Start Currency at 100% (2 turns)
Turn 159
Currency done, start on Poly at 0%.
Rome finishes Trireme, on to WB.
Neapolis starts Praetorian.
Whip worker in Ravana for 55, into Granary.
Turn 162
Successfully beg Poly off of Cathy (had been at 0% for past 4 turns) so start on lit
Successfully beg 30 gold off of Chuchill, meaning that we will have enough cash to start lit at 100% next turn.
Rome starts on SP after finishing WB to use overflow. Will start lighthouse next turn.
Cumae finishes WB, continues forge.
Antium finishes Settler, starts Preat.
Turn 163
Crap. Cathy comes begging for Currency. You can bet that she isn't one turn from finishing it. I spent quite a while thinking about this, on the one hand it is still a monopoly for us, on the other I don't want to land everyone else in a war. I end up refusing for 2 reasons. 1 we have preats. 2 She is still in enforced peace because of the last beg.
That hits us a -2 but she is still pleased.
Also Hammy is teching lit too, so we might be in a bit of a race for the Glib. He has marble.
I trade wheat to Churchill for 4gpt.
Turn 164
Someone is finally willing to trade for construction. And it is Cathy! Churchill and Hammy have both been tightfisted. She is uninterested in Aesthetics obviously, and Currency is still a monopoly. I will wait until it is an even trade. (right now she will give hunting+15gold (has 20) as well as construction.)
Turn 166
Lit is done. Start CoL at 0%.
Two pop whip Lighthouse in Rome to go into GLib.
Turn 167
Meet Gandhi via workboat in Churchill's border. He is Jewish founder. Trade Alpha for Mono+20 gold.
Turn 169
GE is born in Capital. I have left him unsettled. I know the variant says settle all of them, but it is also based on getting as many wonders as possible... Hammy is currently building the Parthenon (known because of spy points showing city production at one point)
Trade opportunity for Construction with Gandhi pops up, but Gandhi is Worst enemy of Cathy.
Techs:
Diplo:
I didn't automatically settle the GE because I'm not sure if we are allowed to use them to rush Wonders and Hammy is building the Parthenon so we might want to rush that (or SP or MoM)
The trade is MC for Con. Pros: MC is known by everyone else and others want currency for Construction which is still a monopoly
Cons: Gandhi is the Jewish founder and worst enemy of Cathy
Inherited turn 155
Whip worker in Cumae to use the 2food tile. Overflow will go into forge rather than WB because I need the trireme to take out the Galley before moving a WB to Rome.
Slot a worker in front of the granary at Ravana.
Put a settler in for Antium, since it has relatively high hammer to food ratio it will make best use of Imp.
Turn 156
Whip Barracks in Neapolis for a bunch of hammers (looses a scientist but regrows this turn anyways.)
Iron is hooked up!
Turn 157
Swap Cumea from forge back to WB.
Neapolis starts on a Worker with the overflow
Start Currency at 100% (2 turns)
Turn 159
Currency done, start on Poly at 0%.
Rome finishes Trireme, on to WB.
Neapolis starts Praetorian.
Whip worker in Ravana for 55, into Granary.
Turn 162
Successfully beg Poly off of Cathy (had been at 0% for past 4 turns) so start on lit
Successfully beg 30 gold off of Chuchill, meaning that we will have enough cash to start lit at 100% next turn.
Rome starts on SP after finishing WB to use overflow. Will start lighthouse next turn.
Cumae finishes WB, continues forge.
Antium finishes Settler, starts Preat.
Turn 163
Crap. Cathy comes begging for Currency. You can bet that she isn't one turn from finishing it. I spent quite a while thinking about this, on the one hand it is still a monopoly for us, on the other I don't want to land everyone else in a war. I end up refusing for 2 reasons. 1 we have preats. 2 She is still in enforced peace because of the last beg.
That hits us a -2 but she is still pleased.
Also Hammy is teching lit too, so we might be in a bit of a race for the Glib. He has marble.
I trade wheat to Churchill for 4gpt.
Turn 164
Someone is finally willing to trade for construction. And it is Cathy! Churchill and Hammy have both been tightfisted. She is uninterested in Aesthetics obviously, and Currency is still a monopoly. I will wait until it is an even trade. (right now she will give hunting+15gold (has 20) as well as construction.)
Turn 166
Lit is done. Start CoL at 0%.
Two pop whip Lighthouse in Rome to go into GLib.
Turn 167
Meet Gandhi via workboat in Churchill's border. He is Jewish founder. Trade Alpha for Mono+20 gold.
Turn 169
GE is born in Capital. I have left him unsettled. I know the variant says settle all of them, but it is also based on getting as many wonders as possible... Hammy is currently building the Parthenon (known because of spy points showing city production at one point)
Trade opportunity for Construction with Gandhi pops up, but Gandhi is Worst enemy of Cathy.
Techs:
Spoiler :
Diplo:
Spoiler :
cripp7
Playin' Bored
atm Cathy will trade Con>Aes+190
, Ghandi will do Con>MC but do we get a -diplo for "Trading with worst enemy" from Cathy?
With a GE, I know with this variant that the Settle vs Wonders kinda clash, with Parth+forum that's 75%GP rate. Obsoletes at SM but we can get a few more GPs to settle.
Starting to get workers out, still need a few more from Cumae.
What about the last barb city?
, Ghandi will do Con>MC but do we get a -diplo for "Trading with worst enemy" from Cathy?With a GE, I know with this variant that the Settle vs Wonders kinda clash, with Parth+forum that's 75%GP rate. Obsoletes at SM but we can get a few more GPs to settle.
Starting to get workers out, still need a few more from Cumae.
What about the last barb city?
Brian Shanahan
Permanoob
I'm back from my holidays, and I'm willing to slot back in at any time. I'm looking at the save and I see that it is going well. I'm wondering are we going to take out an AI soon or not, on natural growth we have 2 decent spots left on continent, Vandal (if has sea resource) or resettle around Vandal, and then the rest is basically filler. Looking at our map, Churchill is vulnerable to attack around the London, York, Hastings axis, and I cannot see anything else to worry me if we have the army to take them three quick, the beauty of Praets coming in there.
Just my thoughts on about 50ish turns down the road.
Just my thoughts on about 50ish turns down the road.
cripp7
Playin' Bored
Yes we're starting to build our preats for Churchy, cats once we get Construction. I'm all for completely taking him out, maybe not all at once, but eventually all together.
Brian Shanahan
Permanoob
Well if we can take his three border cities (also his core) we can decide at our leisure what the best course of action will be. I'm guessing too from the religious situation, and our lack of line of sight on their lands, that Izzy and Gandhi are on a different continent, and are thus out of the reckoning for the moment.
ifinnem
Keep it interesting
Lets make sure we get that Barb city before Hammy does
Also no more whipping of Ravenna (needs to grow cottages and grow to use them)
We should probably do a calculation to see about settling GE vs rushing the Parth
Also no more whipping of Ravenna (needs to grow cottages and grow to use them)
We should probably do a calculation to see about settling GE vs rushing the Parth
Thy_Spellcraft
King
Sorry for delaying my "got it", but was out of town this weekend..
But I got it right now and will give some PPP this evening.
But I got it right now and will give some PPP this evening.
cripp7
Playin' Bored
Thy_Spellcraft
King
Ok.. Sometimes I do have to hate my job. Just finished my daily business and as I've already been awakened for nearly 17 hours I'm in no condition to give any serious PPP.
So start up to tell me what I have to do and we'll start a discussion on that!
I'm really sorry but sometimes you're kind of powerless..
So start up to tell me what I have to do and we'll start a discussion on that!
I'm really sorry but sometimes you're kind of powerless..
cripp7
Playin' Bored
We still need some more workers coming out of Cumae
Getting some preats out of Naepolis to capture the barb city.
GE settle vs Parth, most of the time settling gets a greater turnout over the game but with Parth we would be generating specialists faster to settle.
Getting some preats out of Naepolis to capture the barb city.
GE settle vs Parth, most of the time settling gets a greater turnout over the game but with Parth we would be generating specialists faster to settle.
