Would the Lord Of the Rings been better off is Sauron won?

[caketastydelish]

I must confess that I absolutely hate the "good guys" in the Lord of the Rings movies. They are pretentious, smug, entitled, snobby, condescending... you get the picture. The race of men are a bunch of stupid peasants with simpleton kings. The dwarves are greedy Wario-like hoarders who are short and unattractive. The hobbits were a bunch of lazy hippie potheads. The elves are the most snobby of all and think they're better than everybody.

Every time I watch those movies and I see an Orc, Fellbeast, whatever, slaying one the "good guys" it makes me cheer and brightens my day. I wish they could make more movies except for this time the "evil" side wins.

Sauron didn't want to kill everyone and burn everything down to the ground anyway. He only wanted peace, stability, and order. Similar to the Empire in Star Wars. And I'd rather be under his badass rule than those pretentious douchebags.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

I absolutely agree.

 

[Sommerswerd]

I must confess that I absolutely hate the "good guys" in the Lord of the Rings movies. They are pretentious, smug, entitled, snobby, condescending... you get the picture. The race of men are a bunch of stupid peasants with simpleton kings. The dwarves are greedy Wario-like hoarders who are short and unattractive. The elves are the most snobby of all and think they're better than everybody.

Every time I watch those movies and I see an Orc, Fellbeast, whatever, slaying one the "good guys" it makes me cheer and brightens my day. I wish they could make more movies except for this time the "evil" side wins.

Sauron didn't want to kill everyone and burn everything down to the ground anyway. He only wanted peace, stability, and order. Similar to the Empire in Star Wars. And I'd rather be under his badass rule than those pretentious douchebags.

The "bad guys" win alot in Game of Thrones... and its pretty LOTRs-ey...you might enjoy it.

 

[caketastydelish]

I randomly watched one episode of game of thrones and it featured repeated rape scenes. Not something that I want to watch, sorry. The orcs in Lord of the Rings were badasses who killed all resistance, (which is arguably worse?) but somehow, less disturbing to watch than a rape scene.

 

[Lexicus]

Read the books

 

[caketastydelish]

Does the book include rape scenes?

 

[Lexicus]

I was talking about the LotR books, which as I'm assuming you already know, don't contain any rape scenes. Or sex scenes for that matter.

 

[Zkribbler]

I assume you're trolling.

You criticize dwarfs for being "unattractive" and then laud orcs, who are butt ugly.
You criticize humans for being "stupid," preferring those minions who attacked Helm's Deep, whose only speech was animal-like bellows.
You prefer the desolation of Mordor to the sylvan beauty of the Shire.

By the way, if you like orcs you'll love my upcoming novel Orcs and their Ilk:

Spoiler Exerpt :

Chapter 1: The Notorious Execution of one Grurg E. Duff

Orcan jester Jgo Rats smirked and began: “They say that money is the root of all evil. Alas, that isn’t precisely true. It’s the lack of money that is the root of all evil. When we need money, we’ll do anything to get it, won’t we? We’ll beg; we’ll borrow; we’ll steal. And it’s ‘heavy on the steal.’ Let’s face it: It’s either beg, borrow and steal…or else get a job, and who wants one of those?”

The semi-drunk orcan patrons of the Orc Snort Tavern chuckled and a few applauded.

Jgo paced across the tiny ramshackle stage. The orcan audience had grotesque facial features and prominent fangs. Their skin was a shade of green, gray, black, or brown. However, Jgo came from a family of orcs who kind of looked like rats, with receding foreheads, protruding teeth, long noses, and beady, nervous eyes. He grinned and continued:

“You wake up in the morning, terrified that you’ll be late for work and you’ll lose your job. You work all day long like a whipped thrall, afraid if you don’t, you’ll lose your job. You might even stay a little late and put in some unpaid overtime, afraid if you don’t, you’ll lose your job. And what is your job? You spend your days stealing money from your customers on behalf of your crooked employer. Then, at the end of the week, what happens? This crook shorts you on your pay! Do you complain? No! Because if you did, you’d lose your job! I say, it’s better to forget your job and steal directly from people for your own benefit! Cut out the middleman!”

“Ieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!” screeched his lifelong friend Grurg E. Duff who, clad only in his underwear, tumbled down the stairs into the main floor of the tavern. The chubby orc scrambled to his feet and, dodging this way and that, he fled frantically through the patrons and disappeared through the main door out into the night.

Trailing him, lumbered their village chieftain, a squat berserk-looking orc with salt-and-pepper hair, a hatchet in one hand, and a semi-clad quasi-virginal daughter desperately clinging to his other hand.

”But Papa,” she cried. “I love him!

The chieftain raged, “I’m going to kill him!”

Jgo cringed and muttered, “This is not going to end well.”

 

[onejayhawk]

Sauron did win. Then he lost, then won, then lost, then lost big.

I was talking about the LotR books, which as I'm assuming you already know, don't contain any rape scenes. Or sex scenes for that matter.

Or religion.

J

 

[innonimatu]

Sauron didn't want to kill everyone and burn everything down to the ground anyway. He only wanted peace, stability, and order. Similar to the Empire in Star Wars. And I'd rather be under his badass rule than those pretentious douchebags.

Seems like you should read Jacqueline Carrey's version.

 

[Commodore]

Sauron didn't want to kill everyone and burn everything down to the ground anyway. He only wanted peace, stability, and order

And his master Melkor just wanted to add his own music to Eru's music of creation and was cast out for it. So basically, the whole conflict between "good" and "evil" started because Eru couldn't stand someone not doing everything according to his plan.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

I disagree. It was Eru who created Melkor to have some fun in the world. Without Melkor LOTR had been an utter boredom with the elves talking to the trees all the bloody day. It was the other gods who were a bunch of crybabies and asked Eru to intervene a couple of times to help them when the badies were winning. Which is not fair at all!

 

[Commodore]

I disagree. It was Eru who created Melkor to have some fun in the world.

Melkor didn't become a "baddie" though until Eru punished him for putting his own personal twist on Eru's music. So basically because Melkor was just giving what could be seen as some harmless constructive criticism, Eru banishes him and forces Melkor to go 100% death metal in order to survive.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Humm, your blasfemous ideas are dangerously close to the marcionist heresy. I will fight them using the Scriptures themselves:

"And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined." - The Silmarillion

 

[Sommerswerd]

Melkor didn't become a "baddie" though until Eru punished him for putting his own personal twist on Eru's music. So basically because Melkor was just giving what could be seen as some harmless constructive criticism, Eru banishes him and forces Melkor to go 100% death metal in order to survive.

See, The Bible, Book of Genesis, Book of Job.

 

[Lexicus]

Melkor didn't become a "baddie" though until Eru punished him for putting his own personal twist on Eru's music. So basically because Melkor was just giving what could be seen as some harmless constructive criticism, Eru banishes him and forces Melkor to go 100% death metal in order to survive.

Nah, not really. Melkor was basically a baddie from the very start. Kept trying to mess up the themes of Illuvatar for his own personal glory.

Or religion.

Odd, I find them suffused with religion actually

 

[Sommerswerd]

Does the book include rape scenes?

Face it cake... In a world where the bad guys always win, lots of somebody's are bound to get raped... early and often.

 

[Traitorfish]

I must confess that I absolutely hate the "good guys" in the Lord of the Rings movies. They are pretentious, smug, entitled, snobby, condescending... you get the picture. The race of men are a bunch of stupid peasants with simpleton kings. The dwarves are greedy Wario-like hoarders who are short and unattractive. The hobbits were a bunch of lazy hippie potheads. The elves are the most snobby of all and think they're better than everybody.

Every time I watch those movies and I see an Orc, Fellbeast, whatever, slaying one the "good guys" it makes me cheer and brightens my day. I wish they could make more movies except for this time the "evil" side wins.

Sauron didn't want to kill everyone and burn everything down to the ground anyway. He only wanted peace, stability, and order. Similar to the Empire in Star Wars. And I'd rather be under his badass rule than those pretentious douchebags.

Go home, Varg Vikerns, influential second-wave black metal musician and convicted murderer, you are drunk.

 

[onejayhawk]

I disagree. It was Eru who created Melkor to have some fun in the world. Without Melkor LOTR had been an utter boredom with the elves talking to the trees all the bloody day. It was the other gods who were a bunch of crybabies and asked Eru to intervene a couple of times to help them when the badies were winning. Which is not fair at all!

This whole argument works better with Wizards, see below. Melkor is a thief trying to fight off the rightful owners of his prize. Blackwolf has people he is trying to aid. Also, Avatar is slimier than Saruman, much less Gandalf.

http://www.dvdinfatuation.com/2014/11/1544-wizards-1977.html

J

 

[r16]

but the books would have never happened ... if Tolkien had not done something likeable for the "higher" classes of Britain , once the Great . If one manages to look beyond the stereotypes one can easily see it's deviously "democratic" with Sam the Gardener saving the world .

and ı say this as an Isengard nationalist kicking everyone else like for 5 years now .